Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Khafee]

An A/C carrier and assorted CBG posted in Gawadar for joint petrolling and once the attack is imminent...PN announce that these assets are being leased to it and start operating them in actual conflict...As far as I know Paf pilots train on all these PLan assets since long time.

Not only PLAN but PLAAF, as well.

 

[Khafee]

This actually sounds more reasonable. I'm still very much against giving foreign powers a base in Pakistan.

Would be fine if PA/PAF is given a base in Xinjiang or Tibet.

Man a squadron of these beauties instead of the Jh-4 would also be a nightmare for the enemy. Personally I think its the best Sukhoi
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Never heard of Jh-4

Su-34, seriously? After the Su-35 fiasco, why am I not surprised.

 

[Scorpio]

Hi,

As I have stated it many a times---there is TREASONOUS thinking in the top ranks of PAF---.

The BLK 3 would take 4-8 years for total integration with new aesa radar and how it could be used---.

So---why not build up 25 BLK2's a year---.

But I would rather have at least lease 3 sqdrns of J10 CE's which will fill up the much needed top tier.

Your opinion or any info associated with J10

 

[Khafee]

Your opinion or any info associated with J10

Bhai he did say " But I would rather have at least lease 3 sqdrns of J10 CE's which will fill up the much needed top tier. "

 

[Scorpio]

Ooh so much pressure.....
Start with Pros: Ultimate power projection. We can not only threaten Mumbai but all the way down the eastern ghats. This is India's soft underbelly. They have no defensive weapons deployed and it is their strategic depth. By threatening that, you push them to re allocate their assets relieving pressure on the border or they spend a whole lot more to put AD assets in mumbai, chennai etc.
Cons: Obviously a whole lotta expensive to operate and have a dedicated Task force with Area Defense destroyers, forward screening submarines and other support ships.

I must say, I have never given much thought to having a blue water navy just because of the dire economic situation we always seem to find ourselves. It does opens up a chess game between bigger powers. If US et al are trying to prop up India as a counter weight to China. China can pre-empt that by "propping" up Pakistan and trip up India. In that case fiscal issues go out of the window.

China can "loan" us the vessel just like INS Chakra and the new Akula SSN Russia loaned India.

Ideally I would like PLAN A/C somewhere off the coast of Yemen launch PAF aircraft. They interdict deep south and return to a land base. No fuss no muss. You can say, they did buddy refuelling and the strike was launched from a secret "Shangrila" base

Bhai he did say " But I would rather have at least lease 3 sqdrns of J10 CE's which will fill up the much needed top tier. "

Ok ok. Mean his wish

 

[Scorpio]

I my personal opinion PN is not and will never go for Aircraft Carrier for atleast dacade or so.

PAF strategies are of light and medium aircraft not of heavyweight aircraft, but due to CPEC things change and if china is offering J15 on low cost and soft loans then why not avail it.

Now coming to point of folding wing there only two possible outout first thay not for PAF its for there own carrier, may than thay will provide old ones to us and put its new version on there carrier
Second can be thay do not want to change any thing in plan so it need go for testing again or can have export issue with russia so that providing as it is.

Lastly we need more refuelars, PAF know is very well lets see when we got news from @Khafee about it ?

 

[Caprxl]

KSA is not buying any carriers.

A permanent base for PLAN CBG /CSG, in the Arabian Sea, is very much "possible."

Well, in that case what is stopping US of A to have a Permanent one on Indian Shores? I know they already have signed LEMOA but how about a Permanent one ?

 

[Khafee]

Well, in that case what is stopping US of A to have a Permanent one on Indian Shores? I know they already have signed LEMOA but how about a Permanent one ?

You tell me.

 

[Khafee]

I my personal opinion PN is not and will never go for Aircraft Carrier for atleast dacade or so.

PAF strategies are of light and medium aircraft not of heavyweight aircraft, but due to CPEC things change and if china is offering J15 on low cost and soft loans then why not avail it.

Now coming to point of folding wing there only two possible outout first thay not for PAF its for there own carrier, may than thay will provide old ones to us and put its new version on there carrier
Second can be thay do not want to change any thing in plan so it need go for testing again or can have export issue with russia so that providing as it is.

Lastly we need more refuelars, PAF know is very well lets see when we got news from @Khafee about it ?

Pls explain how does Russia fit into the J-15 scenario?

 

[Syed Hammad Ahmed]

PN would go for additional subs rathar than Carrier

 

[Counter-Errorist]

PAF strategies are of light and medium aircraft not of heavyweight aircraft, but due to CPEC things change and if china is offering J15 on low cost and soft loans then why not avail it.

I don't see how CPEC would change that calculus.
Our doctrine is still very much defensive. Until we become a major economic powerhub, that will continue being the case.
We're only looking for options to deal with India if it goes nuts.

 

[Caprxl]

You tell me.

Hmmm, well 2 things, both USA & China are gonna play like Cold WAR, with Pawns, it could be Bargaining Chip as well,
2 scenarios;

1) IF USA goes for a Base 1st , China gonna reciprocate by having one in Pak land.
2) Given Chinese stakes in CPEC as South China Sea is going to be very hot in next years, China may take the 1st Step by having a base & If USA shows any sign, China may signal to even place Her Strategic Assets (read Strategic = Stealth); current & future ones; as well in Pakistan.

Foreign Policy is not something written in Black & White, there are always few tweaks being done according to the scenario at hand. So all options are on the table i think.

 

[Khafee]

Hmmm, well 2 things, both USA & China are gonna play like Cold WAR, with Pawns, it could be Bargaining Chip as well,
2 scenarios;

1) IF USA goes for a Base 1st , China gonna reciprocate by having one in Pak land.
2) Given Chinese stakes in CPEC as South China Sea is going to be very hot in next years, China may take the 1st Step by having a base & If USA shows any sign, China may signal to even place Her Strategic Assets (read Strategic = Stealth); current & future ones; as well in Pakistan.

Foreign Policy is not something written in Black & White, there are always few tweaks being done according to the scenario at hand. So all options are on the table i think.

Having a base per se, is not really required when you have LEMO, and a secure logistical route. Do you understand what I am saying?

 

[Khafee]

I don't see how CPEC would change that calculus.
Our doctrine is still very much defensive. Until we become a major economic powerhub, that will continue being the case.
We're only looking for options to deal with India if it goes nuts.

Not only the economy needs a fix, but so does the looted wealth. Frankly speaking very dissapointed by IK. He should have brought in the big guns / PA on this long ago,

Another thing that is desperately required is the re-structuring of loans ASAP.

 

[Khafee]

PN would go for additional subs rathar than Carrier

And CNS told you this himself?