Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Mingle]

When I look at Pak Armed Forces procurements, I am relieved, and saddened at the same time. The urgency is not there! As an e.g. JF-17 Blk3 is delayed. So how about churning out Blk2's to make up the numbers. They can upgraded later, but.....

From east things are in super cruise let's see what pops up from western side where we are at stalemates I hope it will start to flow in full swing soon.i don't feel good about T129 engined beacuse Philippines was one buyer too and American throw both Helis on them pick anything you like I feel they will offer Pak more Zulus along used whisky cobras beacuse there is hunger in US arms manufacturers and in Trump eyes to come out from this cisis next yr and quicker which I feel they will if theior law makers remaine lip tight

 

[Zeeman]

Hi,

Really---. If my wife would have done that---I would very nicely and politely explain to her how things are going to work---and if it persisted---she would be headed where it is more comfortable---maybe at her parents house---till she decided to make her decision at what she planned to do for the future relationship---.

Don't take that abuse---. It is not worth it---.

thanks Mastan things are not as bad as I made them sound. My wife has been my good luck and strength ever since the day I met her. Born in Canada she had to adopt a lot for my family but she did well. She came from a rich family and I couldn’t even pay for my own wedding.butbahe married me and we moved into a bachelor apartment in Cleveland . It’s all good.

There was a time when we were pretty close with SriLanka . Infact talking to Tamils here in Toronto they openly blame Pakistan for training and equipping SriLankan troops that caused them to loose the war. Did we ever think about setting up a permenant base in SriLanka? After all they owe us immensely .
I realize we may have missed the chance right after the war ended and pro Pakistani Rajapaksa government was in power .

 

[Mastankhan]

Good job, lets see if someone can add something of value to these already viable scenarios.

Hi,

For pakistan---a carrier is a major major liability---you can have air refuellers---you can have buddy refuelling or you ditch in the ocean at pre planned way points and be rescued by your naval vessels---.

But a carrier ties your hands down at this stage---.

 

[Mingle]

Hi,

For pakistan---a carrier is a major major liability---you can have air refuellers---you can have buddy refuelling or you ditch in the ocean at pre planned way points and be rescued by your naval vessels---.

But a carrier ties your hands down at this stage---.

MK better spend that money on more J15 along Air refulers which lack at moment plus our cost line is not big as like India.

 

[TomCat]

The possibilities i can derive here are :

• Since I recall reading something here about Pak-KSA-China something deal or whatever talk, Maybe, Just maybe China is leasing or selling off its new or oldest carrier to KSA while PAF J-15s as well as possible other aircrafts use it.
• Since Sir Khafee gave an example of weapon use and possession, i think, China is permanently basing one of it’s carrier somewhere in Arabian Sea While PAF actively uses it For it’s purposes, since the need of carriers for China Especially in south china region has greatly diminished due to the presence of the newly made island base.
• The pic shown above is quite strange, I don’t recall seeing a Shark in yellow primer with such lines on the wing folding joint area

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

The possibilities i can derive here are :

• Since I recall reading something here about Pak-KSA-China something deal or whatever talk, Maybe, Just maybe China is leasing or selling off its new or oldest carrier to KSA while PAF J-15s as well as possible other aircrafts use it.
• Since Sir Khafee gave an example of weapon use and possession, i think, China is permanently basing one of it’s carrier somewhere in Arabian Sea While PAF actively uses it For it’s purposes, since the need of carriers for China Especially in south china region has greatly diminished due to the presence of the newly made island base.
• The pic shown above is quite strange, I don’t recall seeing a Shark in yellow primer with such lines on the wing folding joint area

If that's true then PAF might as well hang itself, while it's at it. Trusting the arabs to do somthing when the time comes is like asking a sake not to bite you, when you've stepped on its tail.

No offense @Khafee idk if ur arab.

 

[Mingle]

If that's true then PAF might as well hang itself, while it's at it. Trusting the arabs to do somthing when the time comes is like asking a sake not to bite you, when you've stepped on its tail.

No offense @Khafee idk if ur arab.

No he is not he from Pak raise and work at UAE

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

2 Possibilities,

1) @Gripen9
Lets make your possibility in Reverse Order , may be Operational needs require to Strike Deep & then not enough fuel to RTB, so they are recovered on carrier.
@Pakhtoon yum
This will be much Less heat for the Dragon (diplomatically) as compared to Launching the Pakistani Flying Sharks.

2) @Khafee
Here is my imagination and possibility ;

PN / PAF / PN Air Arm train on Chinese Carrier , & attain a level of self sufficiency in Operating it but Pakistan is not buying or leasing it (at the moment) as our economy & needs / policy does not allow the space to have one. It is just Training . It also wont create any Red Flags (Officially) in the WEST as well. We have a good cover of "Protection of CPEC Sea Routes" which will be a combined effort of China & Pakistan & it will also be safeguarding investment & Assets of our GCC brothers in Gwadar (oil refinery, petrochemical plant etc).

As soon as shit hit the fan or is about to, red army is flown off the carrier ( strike group may or may not have all red army assets at this moment, as it will take at least a Decade to reach this point, PN might have more Frigates, Submarines while add Destroyers etc to its fleet) & Pakistan announce to the world of leasing an AC or complete CSG from China while Men in Green operate them.

This all may seem childish 7 far fetched but given the circumstances, this is the only Practical (in my naive thinking) use of carrier based J-15 purchased by Pakistan.

Not a $ spent from Pakistan's pocket & we have our needs fulfilled.

PS: PA /PAF / PN make Indian Armed forces shit in their pants at current position while being broke & numerically ( in some case qualitatively ) inferior to them, just Imagine the though of PN having a CBG & what it will do to Indians

China does have a base in Doraleh djibouti...(I love that name )

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

No he is not he from Pak raise and work at UAE

Oh I see.

 

[Mastankhan]

MK better spend that money on more J15 along Air refulers which lack at moment plus our cost line is not big as like India.

Hi,

A J15 would cost us somewhere around 45 million dollars +++.

Used JH7A from existing fleet should cost us nothing other than upgrades---so maybe around 5 million a piece---.

Have buddy refueler option available---.

 

[Ertugral]

Good job, lets see if someone can add something of value to these already viable scenarios.

An A/C carrier and assorted CBG posted in Gawadar for joint petrolling and once the attack is imminent...PN announce that these assets are being leased to it and start operating them in actual conflict...As far as I know Paf pilots train on all these PLan assets since long time.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

An A/C carrier and assorted CBG posted in Gawadar for joint petrolling and once the attack is imminent...PN announce that these assets are being leased to it and start operating them in actual conflict...As far as I know Paf pilots train on all these PLan assets since long time.

This actually sounds more reasonable. I'm still very much against giving foreign powers a base in Pakistan.

Would be fine if PA/PAF is given a base in Xinjiang or Tibet.

Man a squadron of these beauties instead of the Jh-7 would also be a nightmare for the enemy. Personally I think its the best Sukhoi

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

A J15 would cost us somewhere around 45 million dollars +++.

Used JH7A from existing fleet should cost us nothing other than upgrades---so maybe around 5 million a piece---.

Have buddy refueler option available---.

For the cost, the utility JH-7 brings, it is invaluable.

 

[Khafee]

The possibilities i can derive here are :

• Since I recall reading something here about Pak-KSA-China something deal or whatever talk, Maybe, Just maybe China is leasing or selling off its new or oldest carrier to KSA while PAF J-15s as well as possible other aircrafts use it.
• Since Sir Khafee gave an example of weapon use and possession, i think, China is permanently basing one of it’s carrier somewhere in Arabian Sea While PAF actively uses it For it’s purposes, since the need of carriers for China Especially in south china region has greatly diminished due to the presence of the newly made island base.
• The pic shown above is quite strange, I don’t recall seeing a Shark in yellow primer with such lines on the wing folding joint area

KSA is not buying any carriers.

A permanent base for PLAN CBG /CSG, in the Arabian Sea, is very much "possible."

 

[Khafee]

If that's true then PAF might as well hang itself, while it's at it. Trusting the arabs to do somthing when the time comes is like asking a sake not to bite you, when you've stepped on its tail.

No offense @Khafee idk if ur arab.

Yes I'm an Arab, and offence seriously taken at your level of cluelessness, to put it very politely.