Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Mingle]

It is too early to say if it will come or not, but Tech from J-20/31/35 could very well make it Project Azm

But alot of J-20 tech is trickling down into Blk 3

 

[Khafee]

Sir @Khafee. Your point of view

Pakistan's financial vows are well known. For it to actually buy an A/c carrier would be akin to me filling availability slots 2 to 4 for my wives. So as much as we would like, both these scenarios are not happening.

Now coming to the elephant in the room, the connection between the J15 & an a A/c carrier. The Pakistani J15's will train with PLAN A/c carriers for sure. In every possible scenario.

Now you gentlemen have to come up viable scenarios!

 

[ali razza]

Pakistan's financial vows are well known. For it to actually buy an A/c carrier would be akin to me filling availability slots 2 to 4 for my wives. So as much as we would like, both these scenarios are not happening.

Now coming to the elephant in the room, the connection between the J15 & an a A/c carrier. The Pakistani J15's will train with PLAN A/c carriers for sure. In every possible scenario.

Now you gentlemen have to come up viable scenarios!

so it means lioning will be visiting soon and another surprise for india

 

[Scorpio]

Pakistan's financial vows are well known. For it to actually buy an A/c carrier would be akin to me filling availability slots 2 to 4 for my wives. So as much as we would like, both these scenarios are not happening.

Now coming to the elephant in the room, the connection between the J15 & an a A/c carrier. The Pakistani J15's will train with PLAN A/c carriers for sure. In every possible scenario.

Now you gentlemen have to come up viable scenarios!

That exactly i said sir buying or leasing AC out of context , at max is Pakistan get few Parking slots in carrier on rent basics

 

[Khafee]

That exactly i said sir buying or leasing AC out of context , at max is Pakistan get few Parking slots in carrier on rent basics

In times of conflict? I think it will be more of a friendly lease. You use it and pay nothing.

 

[Scorpio]

In times of conflict? I think it will be more of a friendly lease. You use it and pay nothing.

Yes sir , got it

Any idea actually how many birds are possible in this deal ?

 

[Khafee]

But alot of J-20 tech is trickling down into Blk 3

J-20 and JF-17Blk3 are a generation apart.

 

[Zeeman]

I don’t think it will be that easy to “rent” or “lease” from Chinese their AC.

So here is a scenario.

India struggling with a negative to zero growth rate economy (for the next 16 months at least according to Moody’s report yesterday ) tries to divert attention from their problems and stages a false flag operation and claims Pakistan was behind it. Usual surgical strike claims are made and Pakistan as expected promptly pays back but this time things get out of control and the full scale war starts .

India with its randi Rona at the UN and with the approval of the USA and Europeans pile up pressure diplomatically and passes the blame on us. My question is this : will China feeling the diplomatic pressure continue to provide us with unlimited diplomatic and as members are suggesting AC as a base?
By providing landing and take off rights Won’t they become part in this war and any retaliation from Indians lead to much wider war and more countries to get involve?

will China be willing to face diplomatic, economic and military pressure just for us to land and take off from their carriers ? Personally I doubt .

 

[Khafee]

I don’t think it will be that easy to “rent” or “lease” from Chinese their AC.

So here is a scenario.

India struggling with a negative to zero growth rate economy (for the next 16 months at least according to Moody’s report yesterday ) tries to divert attention from their problems and stages a false flag operation and claims Pakistan was behind it. Usual surgical strike claims are made and Pakistan as expected promptly pays back but this time things get out of control and the full scale war starts .

India with its randi Rona at the UN and with the approval of the USA and Europeans pile up pressure diplomatically and passes the blame on us. My question is this : will China feeling the diplomatic pressure continue to provide us with unlimited diplomatic and as members are suggesting AC as a base?
By providing landing and take off rights Won’t they become part in this war and any retaliation from Indians lead to much wider war and more countries to get involve?

will China be willing to face diplomatic, economic and military pressure just for us to land and take off from their carriers ? Personally I doubt .

Inida's unemployment is at 27.1%, the pressure on the govt. is enormous. They have to deflect it, and Pakistan is the most convenient scapegoat.

The WoT is over, the new boogeyman for the US is China. Do you honestly think the Chinese haven't thought of this very scenario?

India’s jobless rate jumps to 27.1%, survey says

Daily wage workers and those employed by small businesses have had to take the biggest blow.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Indian economy to be in 'deep freeze': Moody’s

The agency says prospects of further reforms to support business have diminished.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Zeeman]

You know when India says something is bad it really is much much worse ..... their stats and figures make Baghdad Bob looks like a pious truth teller .

 

[Scorpio]

Inida's unemployment is at 27.1%, the pressure on the govt. is enormous. They have to deflect it, and Pakistan is the most convenient scapegoat.

The WoT is over, the new boogeyman for the US is China. Do you honestly think the Chinese haven't thought of this very scenario?

India’s jobless rate jumps to 27.1%, survey says

Daily wage workers and those employed by small businesses have had to take the biggest blow.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Indian economy to be in 'deep freeze': Moody’s

The agency says prospects of further reforms to support business have diminished.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

My point is that a war in on our head, unfortunately. But this time India will have much bigger misadventure may open multiple air fronts consecutively due to high numbers of air articles thay have in inventory

Interestingly few self claimed experts or can say due to some specific agenda on other forum, doing propogenda that relax and wait for project azm only .. we need to precure nothing till then for now we have out of this world jets knows as thunders ... our enemy is on long break till project azm production is not inducted . ..

@Khafee Sir can lets know why thay want close eyes like kaboorat even want other to do same

 

[Zeeman]

We need weapons now or it will be too late. Project Azm is a concept and will take years and will face many hurdles and delays as expected in every major project.

operation swift retort was a well planned operation and we utilized our package in a very efficient way. We had AWACS , jammers , escorts , strike planes everything working together.
In a large scale war with multiple fronts it will be chaotic and will be impossible to replicate such well coordinated and large attack.
We will need fighters who are able to stand on their own without too much support from other aircrafts.
We will be stupid to think that we will perform equally well in a large scale attack .

we need counter for Rafael as soon as possible. Block 70 is the only aircraft available to us that can do that.

 

[Scorpio]

We need weapons now or it will be too late. Project Azm is a concept and will take years and will face many hurdles and delays as expected in every major project.

operation swift retort was a well planned operation and we utilized our package in a very efficient way. We had AWACS , jammers , escorts , strike planes everything working together.
In a large scale war with multiple fronts it will be chaotic and will be impossible to replicate such well coordinated and large attack.
We will need fighters who are able to stand on their own without too much support from other aircrafts.
We will be stupid to think that we will perform equally well in a large scale attack .

we need counter for Rafael as soon as possible. Block 70 is the only aircraft available to us that can do that.

Exactly my point of concern, what if india open multi air front , we cant replicate 27 feb senario more then 2 front , lets makae max 3 front if we count all our air AWACS specifically EW .

We need hardware now , from wherever thay coming we cant be day dreaming and waiting for Thandar block 3 or AZm (they are necessary and our future) but what about present

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

?scare the crap out of them

PAF:

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Inida's unemployment is at 27.1%, the pressure on the govt. is enormous. They have to deflect it, and Pakistan is the most convenient scapegoat.

The WoT is over, the new boogeyman for the US is China. Do you honestly think the Chinese haven't thought of this very scenario?

India’s jobless rate jumps to 27.1%, survey says

Daily wage workers and those employed by small businesses have had to take the biggest blow.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Indian economy to be in 'deep freeze': Moody’s

The agency says prospects of further reforms to support business have diminished.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

So when the Chinese said "pakistan is our isreal" they weren't joking. I assume pakistan is being built up to stop india in its tracks before it could hurt china. So that china could focus on the Pacific front.

J-15 and the new tanks might be the first steps in a massive "unification" of both pak armed forces and their chinese counterparts. Which would explain the carrier based planes too. Basically both forces are going to be trained on the same equipment and in the same fashion so that they act in sync. I sense an important treaty signing coming.

This benefits Pakistan in 2 major although significantly generalized ways.

1. Pakistan would have more then sufficient resources to fight and contain the indians.

2. Pakistan gets closer and protects it's most important ally.


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