Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Pakhtoon yum]

Sorry is the first guy standing next to the plane Chinese?

Seems like it, ya.

 

[Armchair]

I hope they bring JH-7As instead. Would be much cheaper. If they come with folding wings (the J-15s), I assume it is to fit the shelter size available with PAF. Whatever the choice, I am sure PAF would have done its due diligence before picking a platfom.

Regarding what brother @Khafee is hinting about aircraft carrier, I think the J-15s if purchased by Pakistan, would be able to provide a reserve for PLAN. That is, in terms of support, spares and even aircraft if a time sensitive need arises.

So, for instance if PLAN has an a/c in Somalia and needs to quickly replace some of its fighters, they can "dry lease" the aircraft(s) from PAF and have more sent via CPEC to PAF in compensation (later).

This would allow them to maintain a higher level of operational tempo than otherwise.

 

[Armchair]

If I were the decision maker, I would (not now but in 5 years) get a "mini" aircraft carrier as a power projection tool to drastically increase Pak's diplomatic profile. Around 5000-10,000 tons, armed with helicopters and turboprop aircraft only. This would mean no heavy deck needed for landing jet fighters, basically drastically reducing costs, as one could use a second hand container ship and convert it, or, if a brand new ship is designed, use very similar structural design.

This means such a vessel would cost a tiny fraction of a real aircraft carrier. Still, would give PN a boat to use for a symbolic gunboat diplomacy.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

If I were the decision maker, I would (not now but in 5 years) get a "mini" aircraft carrier as a power projection tool to drastically increase Pak's diplomatic profile. Around 5000-10,000 tons, armed with helicopters and turboprop aircraft only. This would mean no heavy deck needed for landing jet fighters, basically drastically reducing costs, as one could use a second hand container ship and convert it, or, if a brand new ship is designed, use very similar structural design.

This means such a vessel would cost a tiny fraction of a real aircraft carrier. Still, would give PN a boat to use for a symbolic gunboat diplomacy.

We dont even need one to be honest, unless we extend our coastlines. The best solution would be what Japan and Egypt has. Those heli carriers that act as amphibious assault vessels. Those would be great for SSGN.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I hope they bring JH-7As instead. Would be much cheaper. If they come with folding wings (the J-15s), I assume it is to fit the shelter size available with PAF. Whatever the choice, I am sure PAF would have done its due diligence before picking a platfom.

Regarding what brother @Khafee is hinting about aircraft carrier, I think the J-15s if purchased by Pakistan, would be able to provide a reserve for PLAN. That is, in terms of support, spares and even aircraft if a time sensitive need arises.

So, for instance if PLAN has an a/c in Somalia and needs to quickly replace some of its fighters, they can "dry lease" the aircraft(s) from PAF and have more sent via CPEC to PAF in compensation (later).

This would allow them to maintain a higher level of operational tempo than otherwise.

The parking makes sense because this purchase seems "rushed" in a sense. So the base development will happen after the aircrafts are delivered.

The last part makes no sense because that would but a limit on what PAF could do with the planes. This put restrictions on the them, in a sense. The planes have to be in good condition and working order for the chinese to lean back on. Which makes no financial and strategical sense for PAF. Why waste time and money for training on a machine that ur just polishing for someone else?

 

[Khafee]

I hope they bring JH-7As instead. Would be much cheaper. If they come with folding wings (the J-15s), I assume it is to fit the shelter size available with PAF. Whatever the choice, I am sure PAF would have done its due diligence before picking a platfom.

Regarding what brother @Khafee is hinting about aircraft carrier, I think the J-15s if purchased by Pakistan, would be able to provide a reserve for PLAN. That is, in terms of support, spares and even aircraft if a time sensitive need arises.

So, for instance if PLAN has an a/c in Somalia and needs to quickly replace some of its fighters, they can "dry lease" the aircraft(s) from PAF and have more sent via CPEC to PAF in compensation (later).

This would allow them to maintain a higher level of operational tempo than otherwise.

China has opened a military base in Djibouti. The geopolitics of the Middle East will never be the same again
July 16, 2017

To what you have said above, and I have underlined, this is a possibility. Those "borrowed" from PAF could always be "swapped" with something else from PLAAF inventory.

 

[Scorpio]

If I were the decision maker, I would (not now but in 5 years) get a "mini" aircraft carrier as a power projection tool to drastically increase Pak's diplomatic profile. Around 5000-10,000 tons, armed with helicopters and turboprop aircraft only. This would mean no heavy deck needed for landing jet fighters, basically drastically reducing costs, as one could use a second hand container ship and convert it, or, if a brand new ship is designed, use very similar structural design.

This means such a vessel would cost a tiny fraction of a real aircraft carrier. Still, would give PN a boat to use for a symbolic gunboat diplomacy.

Heli carrier somehow make good option, when add few attach , S&R and Anti submarine roles , etc
But what turboprop planes give us and what will there advantage?

 

[Khafee]

On some chines page today

There some discussion going on in several forums concerning this image: Some interpret the words on that banner “let the party flag flutter at model ———” as a hint for the successful finalization of the development or even delivery of the CAT-version. But IMO it is not the J-15T.
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Do you have any other pic, of this launch with the nose gear clearly visible?

 

[Scorpio]

Do you have any other pic, of this launch with the nose gear clearly visible?

Right now post contian these 2 pics, if i got will share definitely

 

[Caprxl]

with something else from PLAAF inventory

 

[Scorpio]

Do you have any other pic, of this launch with the nose gear clearly visible?

The strut behind the nose wheel looks to me like a large provisionally solution, to bring the aircraft without a longlasting development into the air (so the decision for the catapult and construction of the carrier can be made).

 

[Armchair]

China has opened a military base in Djibouti. The geopolitics of the Middle East will never be the same again
July 16, 2017

To what you have said above, and I have underlined, this is a possibility. Those "borrowed" from PAF could always be "swapped" with something else from PLAAF inventory.

Khafee akh if I got it right then you have to give me some kind of reward

 

[Armchair]

Heli carrier somehow make good option, when add few attach , S&R and Anti submarine roles , etc
But what turboprop planes give us and what will there advantage?

Prop planes where what all aircraft carriers flew before jets took over in the late 50s. Even then, they lasted till as late as the Vietnam war.

What roles they can play:

1. air defence armed with Sidewinders (or equivalents). Useful against enemy helicopters, UAVs and subsonic cruise missiles
2. Bombing / attack against enemies that don't have fast jets (i.e. Houthis)
3. Anti Surface
4. Anti submarine (Like S-3s)
5. Jamming / electronic warfare

Props are light and require much less length of runway than jets do. Thus easy to pack onto an aircraft carrier. Just do an image search of WWII aircraft carriers.

 

[Armchair]

J-20s are coming later to PAF. It is obvious if the tragectory is as @Khafee indicates. PAF / PLANAF would be able to shut down the global oil supply if they chose with such an investment.

 

[Armchair]

The other thing no one seems to have connected is that this will allow PAF to field very long ranged AAMs, the likes of which have not been seen in the world, except perhaps a few little known Soviet systems. But these would be far more potent.