Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Scorpio]

So when the Chinese said "pakistan is our isreal" they weren't joking. I assume pakistan is being built up to stop india in its tracks before it could hurt china. So that china could focus on the Pacific front.

J-15 and the new tanks might be the first steps in a massive "unification" of both pak armed forces and their chinese counterparts. Which would explain the carrier based planes too. Basically both forces are going to be trained on the same equipment and in the same fashion so that they act in sync. I sense an important treaty signing coming.

This benefits Pakistan in 2 major although significantly generalized ways.

1. Pakistan would have more the sufficient resources to fight and contain the indians.

2. Pakistan gets closer and protects it's most important ally.


Members can add on to this, in further detail.

Good point of view bro.
So we can say like that

China need pakistan to contian india
Usa need india to contian china

So ping pong....goes on

Pakistan need Afghanistan to contain Iran
India need Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan

Can continue remaining ping pong ...

 

[Gripen9]

Good point of view bro.
China need pakistan to contian india
Usa need india to contian china

So ping pong....goes on

Pakistan need Afghanistan to contain Iran
India need Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan

Can continue remaining ping pong ...

The new great game.

 

[Armchair]

This is an idea that would be shot down even before it leaves the word of the suggesting officer. CSG's are supposed to instill awe and fear, besides thier military utility.

A prop carrier would just be a joke, and not worth the effort or cost. Either you go all out, or you stay home.

Would be most useful in a Yemen like conflict where opposition doesn't have an air force.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Good point of view bro.
So we can say like that

China need pakistan to contian india
Usa need india to contian china

So ping pong....goes on

Pakistan need Afghanistan to contain Iran
India need Afghanistan to destabilize Pakistan

Can continue remaining ping pong ...

The wildcard here - why would the US release CSF funds?

 

[Zeeman]

May be the lack of progress on CSF and other issues is the reason why the American Taliban deal is not going anywhere . Talibans are attacking harder and wider than before and the prisoners release is stuck.
Khalilzad is shuttling back and forth and if I am not mistaken he will be back in Pakistan for his second visit soon.

 

[Zeeman]

This COVID has ruined everything. There is no urgency in Americans to reach or force deal in Afghanistan. All the attentions are diverted to internal disaster in America . I doubt at this point anyone wants to listen to our demands for CSF. Releasing any funds at this stage will be a bad PR for Trump.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

The wildcard here - why would the US release CSF funds?

Easy...they know they cant afford to let Pakistan go. They tried to blackmail and it failed so now they would try being nice. Especially since they got hit hard by COVID.

The challenge for them would be how to balance both Pakistan and India. I also think they arent stupid enough to think that India can take on china when they cant even take on Pakistan.

I expect them to try and turn Pakistan against china. Pakistan should be smart about this and try to balance their relations with china and the US. Not betraying china while reaping the benefits from the relationship with US. Pakistan knows how to play but will they have the will to do so?

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

This COVID has ruined everything. There is no urgency in Americans to reach or force deal in Afghanistan. All the attentions are diverted to internal disaster in America . I doubt at this point anyone wants to listen to our demands for CSF. Releasing any funds at this stage will be a bad PR for Trump.

On the contrary this will rush them to get out of Afghanistan. They want to focus on their own house.

I've been saying this for years now but people keep making up excuses or either bring up racist arguments like "you just want the population of pakhtoons to increase" etc. If I wanted that to happen then I would encourage pakistani pakhtoons to breed like rabbits. But alas a racist will be a racist, they dont think rationally.

Anyways my point is that Pakistan should strike a deal with the US over the control of Afghanistan. Afghanistan should be annexed by pakistan and slowly made into smaller provinces within a few years. The local populations near Pakistan would have no issues with the merger because they are literally already part of Pakistan. They have the same culture and even use the same currency etc.

The turkic populations should also have no problem and if they did then those can be controlled easily. Pakistan has experience in handling multiple ethnicities. So an additional of 3-4 more ethnicities into the population of Pakistan will not change much.

This is the only solution to this terrorism and instability in pakistan. We can build all the fences and walls we want but if we serve our backyard on a silver platter to our enemies then Pakistan will forever stay unstable.

Think about this without letting your racist ideals controlling your thought process. Afghanistan is a natural extension of Pakistan that should be reunified. We are more connected to Kabul then we are to India. Taking all contexts of connectivity into mind. History also shows that we have been one nation for far more longer than the British conquest forced us to be part of british india.

@Mingle @Khafee @Mastankhan @CHI RULES
@Gripen9 @Armchair
@Scorpio

 

[Zeeman]

On the contrary this will rush them to get out of Afghanistan. They want to focus on their own house.

I've been saying this for years now but people keep making up excuses or either bring up racist arguments like "you just want the population of pakhtoons to increase" etc. If I wanted that to happen then I would encourage pakistani pakhtoons to breed like rabbits. But alas a racist will be a racist, they dont think rationally.

Anyways my point is that Pakistan should strike a deal with the US over the control of Afghanistan. Afghanistan should be annexed by pakistan and slowly made into smaller provinces within a few years. The local populations near Pakistan would have no issues with the merger because they are literally already part of Pakistan. They have the same culture and even use the same currency etc.

The turkic populations should also have no problem and if they did then those can be controlled easily. Pakistan has experience in handling multiple ethnicities. So an additional of 3-4 more ethnicities into the population of Pakistan will not change much.

This is the only solution to this terrorism and instability in pakistan. We can build all the fences and walls we want but if we serve our backyard on a silver platter to our enemies then Pakistan will forever stay unstable.

Think about this without letting your racist ideals controlling your thought process. Afghanistan is a natural extension of Pakistan that should be reunified. We are more connected to Kabul then we are to India. Taking all contexts of connectivity into mind. History also shows that we have been one nation for far more longer than the British conquest forced us to be part of british india.

@Mingle @Khafee @Mastankhan @CHI RULES
@Gripen9 @Armchair
@Scorpio

You have brought up an interesting point and there is nothing racist about it. It’s really late and I have to get ready for roza ... let’s discuss this important issue tomorrow

 

[Counter-Errorist]

On the contrary this will rush them to get out of Afghanistan. They want to focus on their own house.

I've been saying this for years now but people keep making up excuses or either bring up racist arguments like "you just want the population of pakhtoons to increase" etc. If I wanted that to happen then I would encourage pakistani pakhtoons to breed like rabbits. But alas a racist will be a racist, they dont think rationally.

Anyways my point is that Pakistan should strike a deal with the US over the control of Afghanistan. Afghanistan should be annexed by pakistan and slowly made into smaller provinces within a few years. The local populations near Pakistan would have no issues with the merger because they are literally already part of Pakistan. They have the same culture and even use the same currency etc.

The turkic populations should also have no problem and if they did then those can be controlled easily. Pakistan has experience in handling multiple ethnicities. So an additional of 3-4 more ethnicities into the population of Pakistan will not change much.

This is the only solution to this terrorism and instability in pakistan. We can build all the fences and walls we want but if we serve our backyard on a silver platter to our enemies then Pakistan will forever stay unstable.

Think about this without letting your racist ideals controlling your thought process. Afghanistan is a natural extension of Pakistan that should be reunified. We are more connected to Kabul then we are to India. Taking all contexts of connectivity into mind. History also shows that we have been one nation for far more longer than the British conquest forced us to be part of british india.

@Mingle @Khafee @Mastankhan @CHI RULES
@Gripen9 @Armchair
@Scorpio

Annex Afghanistan - Afghanis, including those fighting us flee across Pakistan.
Imagine that mess!
Afghanis have known nothing but war and drugs for decades. They cannot be easily integrated into our society.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Annex Afghanistan - Afghanis, including those fighting us flee across Pakistan.
Imagine that mess!
Afghanis have known nothing but war and drugs for decades. They cannot be easily integrated into our society.

More then half of their population already lives within our borders. There are 2 types of farsibans/afghans those that bark like dogs and those that bite after they bark.

The latter of which are the ones fighting their central government right now. Those people already hold a very favorable opinion about Pakistan. Infact it was documented that they where going to join pakistan before the US jumped in and poured water over everything.

Now back to my point. Those that bark shall always bark and it includes people that are citizens of Pakistan too. From kashmir to sindh there are always traitors.

Those that bite, hold favorable opinions of Pakistan. To solve the problem of them opposing GOPs rule. Simple give them basic human needs. Meaning give them a stable income that would take their experience and put it into good use. Recruit them into the FC after a year or so of education and send them off to do their duty. There are already countless examples of this happening in balochistan.

It would also benefit Pakistan to document all of it's new citizens. Which is why I said that after annexation the process of proper unification shall take place. From police to courts being set up, just like in FATA.

I also left out a very important detail. After Afghanistan becomes part of PAs jurisdiction. We have full legal right to take out any terrorist camp and home base. Which included all the HQs of Ttp, BLA and etc.


U can add further onto to this.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

You have brought up an interesting point and there is nothing racist about it. It’s really late and I have to get ready for roza ... let’s discuss this important issue tomorrow

I was labeled as such on PDF by karachits that support MQM.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Annex Afghanistan - Afghanis, including those fighting us flee across Pakistan.
Imagine that mess!
Afghanis have known nothing but war and drugs for decades. They cannot be easily integrated into our society.

They also dont simple "flee" into Pakistan after annexation. Think of the first few years of annexation like that of FATAs during operations. The border still stands and now PAF, and PA can cross from their defensive lines and conduct operations. All the Intel of their locations is already there. It's simple going out and cleaning it up.

Also you would have the support of the local fighters that would be given part in the FC.


There is a very important saying in pakhto which goes somthing like "in order to fight theft in a certain area, you need to hire a local theif to do it" a good example will be the ottoman naval commander. Whom was a notorious pirate in the Mediterranean. He was appointed as the head of the ottoman navy and went on to win unthinkable battles against the Europeans.

Another example would be the visigoth noble in Morocco that the arabs incorporated into their ranks. He told them about all the political unrest in Spain and how/where to attack. He also provided all of his navy for the attack.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Annex Afghanistan - Afghanis, including those fighting us flee across Pakistan.
Imagine that mess!
Afghanis have known nothing but war and drugs for decades. They cannot be easily integrated into our society.

No offense or anything but your statement is also very ignorant. The reason they fight is because non-Muslims keep conquering their land and destroying their homes. The drugs is because they have no way to earn money to feed themselves. There are stories of them digging up graves to sell the bones. Why? Because they are dying of hunger and poverty. I recommend you to do some research and read books about the situation there. All hate aside they are suffering and it's our fault we let them suffer. Why did we give up our defacto control over Afghanistan?

What you said is like saying "The poor don't know anything else but to die of hunger".

You also forget that a major chuck of their fighting force was Pakistanis from all across the country that went and fought the soviets etc. Most of them returned back to Pakistan and lived their lives in peace.

On the contrary because of our corrupt politicians. Pakistan's decade's of control over Afghanistan was lost and our enemies too that opportunity to create TTP and other notorious groups to attack Pakistan. So as you can see it was not the peoples fault but our own fault that we stopped acting like a functioning state. Our corrupt leaders destroyed Pakistan's interests to please their masters.

 

[Scorpio]

The wildcard here - why would the US release CSF funds?

Good question and mine is same , hope someone can answer