Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Pakhtoon yum]

I never bought the “tel nai mila” U-Turn ever.

Kekra has been known since not very recently but many years, Yet kept away from public...

So how can I buy a plot? Cant find it on Zameen.pk.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Thinking, is never useless. It proves that there is no vacuum between the ears

You are right on a lot of the above points! But given the enemies capabilities, CPEC, Kekra1, a more stronger PN is required.

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With J15 there are a couple of things to be noted.

1) It is based on an Su-33, obtained from Ukraine. So there is no Sukhoi copyright issues
2) The J15Pk will be the most advanced a/c produced by china, with the exception of J20 & J31. To assimilate all these tech, in a platform that wont be an issue for anyone, is the J15
3) The added benefit of folding wings and strengthened landing gear is that, they can be launched or recovered by an aircraft carrier, even if PN does not own one. To lease, or use PLAN facilities is not that hard, or unthinkable.
4) PLAAF and PLAN aviation have always taken input from PAF on both strategic, as well as tactical issues. There will be a lot of synergy between them, the J15Pk is an accumulation of those synergies.
5) There will be a very sizeable number of dedicated "growler" type J15s.

Regards

While we are fantasizing about the existence of my brain and a future more powerful PN...
I was wondering...what are the rules of engagement in international waters? Not for warring nations(obviously they would try to obliterate each other) but let's say if u wanted to "keep certain traffic from passing"...

In the theoretical scenario where PN expands to have a decent fleet...and war breaks out...would it be possible for PN to sort of impose a "blockade" on India? Not through the conventional blockade bcuz I doubt IN could be matched on a one to one basis in numbers and then moreover such superiority established to achieve a conventional blockade seems out of the question...
...I'm asking...more so in the sense that Pakistan happens to be in the middle of India and middle eastern countries(where oil trade passes through)...
So basically what I'm asking is...is it possible for PN(a future much beefier PN) to patrol/guard the path(it's territorial waters and further south into international waters)...and force oil carrying ships bound to India...to turn back or something? A "pseudo blockade" of sorts? Is that legal? What if the ship carrying oil to India is not an Indian ship? Is that still legal? Bcuz if that's doable(theoretically) then it could give Pak a huge advantage in case of war... essentially cutting off India's oil supply...and if they want to end the blockade then IN would have to enter the submarine(PN) infested waters and engage PN(an expected situation which PN can try to control on its own terms).

All criticism of this wild thought is welcome...I'm not well versed in rules of engagement in international waters...or naval war strategies and other related matters.

 

[TomCat]

So how can I buy a plot? Cant find it on Zameen.pk.

Contact Aquaman

 

[Zeeman]

I am really confused about this whole offshore oil business. Drilling for oil and then shipping or pumping to land is extremely expensive and with prices down for as long as they have been it is simply not economical to drill new oil wells and set up collection and pumping facility.

My dad worked in Libya setting up an oil refinery. He tells me how the oil was so easy to extract and there was so much oil that the profit was enormous. But now a days if one is to take into account all the set up and pipeline cost it may be a lot cheaper to just buy it from outside .
Just like the steel produced at karachi steel mill using old machinery and imported raw material is twice as expensive as Chinese steel available in the market.

 

[Zeeman]

Contact Aquaman

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[Zulu]

Yes even by law you can stop,inspect them in international waters too in case of blockade

While we are fantasizing about the existence of my brain and a future more powerful PN...
I was wondering...what are the rules of engagement in international waters? Not for warring nations(obviously they would try to obliterate each other) but let's say if u wanted to "keep certain traffic from passing"...

In the theoretical scenario where PN expands to have a decent fleet...and war breaks out...would it be possible for PN to sort of impose a "blockade" on India? Not through the conventional blockade bcuz I doubt IN could be matched on a one to one basis in numbers and then moreover such superiority established to achieve a conventional blockade seems out of the question...
...I'm asking...more so in the sense that Pakistan happens to be in the middle of India and middle eastern countries(where oil trade passes through)...
So basically what I'm asking is...is it possible for PN(a future much beefier PN) to patrol/guard the path(it's territorial waters and further south into international waters)...and force oil carrying ships bound to India...to turn back or something? A "pseudo blockade" of sorts? Is that legal? What if the ship carrying oil to India is not an Indian ship? Is that still legal? Bcuz if that's doable(theoretically) then it could give Pak a huge advantage in case of war... essentially cutting off India's oil supply...and if they want to end the blockade then IN would have to enter the submarine(PN) infested waters and engage PN(an expected situation which PN can try to control on its own terms).

All criticism of this wild thought is welcome...I'm not well versed in rules of engagement in international waters...or naval war strategies and other related matters.

 

[Khafee]

Can i “tow” Palm deira to Kekra please ?

Sure go ahead, and post some videos too!

 

[Counter-Errorist]

@Armchair brought up a good point on lack of AWACS for PN.
If PN gets these beasts without AWACS, they would be highly under-utilized.
Will PN's air wing then get its own AWACS, or would we rather work on better interoperability between PAF and PN?

Not to mention, strikes would need to be accompanied by PAFs interceptors and other assets.
Then there's also PN having to learn up air fighting concepts from scratch and building maintenance infrastructure.

I think it makes more sense for PAF to have them right now.

 

[Khafee]

Who knows, Maybe like 052 came on 27Feb, next time CV002 and the whole pack could also come at hot times

War time planning means allies lend you assets. This has been going on since 1941

FDR introduces the lend-lease program
On January 10, 1941, Franklin Roosevelt introduces the lend-lease program to Congress. The plan was intended to help Britain beat back Hitler’s advance while keeping America only indirectly involved in World War II.

 

[Khafee]

I never bought the “tel nai mila” U-Turn ever.

Kekra has been known since not very recently but many years, Yet kept away from public...

Since the 1960's 18 wells have been drilled

 

[TomCat]

Sure go ahead, and post some videos too!

 

[Khafee]

While we are fantasizing about the existence of my brain and a future more powerful PN...
I was wondering...what are the rules of engagement in international waters? Not for warring nations(obviously they would try to obliterate each other) but let's say if u wanted to "keep certain traffic from passing"...

In the theoretical scenario where PN expands to have a decent fleet...and war breaks out...would it be possible for PN to sort of impose a "blockade" on India? Not through the conventional blockade bcuz I doubt IN could be matched on a one to one basis in numbers and then moreover such superiority established to achieve a conventional blockade seems out of the question...
...I'm asking...more so in the sense that Pakistan happens to be in the middle of India and middle eastern countries(where oil trade passes through)...
So basically what I'm asking is...is it possible for PN(a future much beefier PN) to patrol/guard the path(it's territorial waters and further south into international waters)...and force oil carrying ships bound to India...to turn back or something? A "pseudo blockade" of sorts? Is that legal? What if the ship carrying oil to India is not an Indian ship? Is that still legal? Bcuz if that's doable(theoretically) then it could give Pak a huge advantage in case of war... essentially cutting off India's oil supply...and if they want to end the blockade then IN would have to enter the submarine(PN) infested waters and engage PN(an expected situation which PN can try to control on its own terms).

All criticism of this wild thought is welcome...I'm not well versed in rules of engagement in international waters...or naval war strategies and other related matters.

We are not fantasizing that you have a brain. I scientifically proved that you have ONE! Most people just dont bother, and ask me, why this, why that. So I was appreciating the fact that you were at least bothered to think!

Coming back to business, When you attack a ship with a foreign flag, you mess with that country. This is why Kuwait did it, in 1987

Kuwaiti tankers reflagged with Stars and Stripes - UPI Archives

The American flag was hoisted Tuesday over two Kuwaiti tankers waiting to enter the Persian Gulf under heavy U.S. naval and air protection, opening a new...

www.upi.com

Kuwait Registering 3 Tankers for British Flag (Published 1987)

www.nytimes.com

If they are Indian ships, or ships of convenient registry, which most are, like Sierra Leone, Panama, Cayman Islands, then happy hunting.

This strategy is obviously two ways, your enemy can also do the same, but you have the advantage of Gawadar. In case foreign ships do not wnat to come to Khi or Gawadar, you ship your goods to UAE or Oman, and then to Gawadar.

 

[Khafee]

I am really confused about this whole offshore oil business. Drilling for oil and then shipping or pumping to land is extremely expensive and with prices down for as long as they have been it is simply not economical to drill new oil wells and set up collection and pumping facility.

My dad worked in Libya setting up an oil refinery. He tells me how the oil was so easy to extract and there was so much oil that the profit was enormous. But now a days if one is to take into account all the set up and pipeline cost it may be a lot cheaper to just buy it from outside .
Just like the steel produced at karachi steel mill using old machinery and imported raw material is twice as expensive as Chinese steel available in the market.

Prices were down because manufacturing shut down, and prior to that the Saudi - Russian customer grab. All of this flooded the mkt with crude that was beyond existing storage capacity.

Pls look at today's prices.

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Oilprices from around the world.

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In this particular senario, I expect GoP to do a 60:40 JV with someone, who will do the exploration, drilling, extraction, in sea storage, and export.
There will be no pipeline to shore, atleast for the first few yrs.

Note: this is just my opinion.

 

[Gripen9]

Btw they look delicious.

Discussion for another thread....

 

[Zeeman]

Oil has been at the average of $50 for the last five years.
conventional oil drilling (on the ground) production break even is almost $40 ( except for Saudis and Kuwait etc) I assume a lot more in the ocean.
so you see the numbers don’t add up. Saudis are breaking even at as low as $20.