Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Crystal-Clear]

Who knows, Maybe like 052 came on 27Feb, next time CV002 and the whole pack could also come at hot times

052??

 

[Khafee]

Oil has been at the average of $50 for the last five years.
conventional oil drilling (on the ground) production break even is almost $40 ( except for Saudis and Kuwait etc) I assume a lot more in the ocean.
so you see the numbers don’t add up. Saudis are breaking even at as low as $20.

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I was listening to an interview by the Chairman of Aramco on Bloomberg, a few months back Yasir Othman Al-Rumayyan and he mentioned something like US$6/BBL, if memory serves me right.

I'm not sure which blend of crude you are looking at, but for Pakistan it would most probably be something close to Brent and not WTI.

Hazrat if someone is ready to do a JV, and you spend nothing form your pocket, where is the issue?

 

[Khafee]

@Armchair brought up a good point on lack of AWACS for PN.
If PN gets these beasts without AWACS, they would be highly under-utilized.
Will PN's air wing then get its own AWACS, or would we rather work on better interoperability between PAF and PN?

Not to mention, strikes would need to be accompanied by PAFs interceptors and other assets.
Then there's also PN having to learn up air fighting concepts from scratch and building maintenance infrastructure.

I think it makes more sense for PAF to have them right now.

ZDK's are to be upgraded. Once all the Erieye's are inducted, In the even of hostilities, they will surely be there.

Please look at this pic, and the first two screens from left. What do you see?

 

[Khafee]

@Armchair and others I fell of my chair laughing

China to sell an aircraft carrier to Pakistan

China, as part of its recent military and foreign policies, has planned to upgrade on a large scale its first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, to sell it to

www.navyrecognition.com

China to sell aircraft carrier to Pakistan

Moscow - The Chinese government has decided to sell its first and only aircraft carrier to Pakistan. More specifically, the Liaoning

nation.com.pk

China plays down media reports of selling aircraft carrier to Pakistan

Earlier report said China, which shares close linkages with the Pakistan military, is currently building four modern naval ships for the Pakistan Navy.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Gripen9]

@Armchair and others I fell of my chair laughing

China to sell an aircraft carrier to Pakistan

China, as part of its recent military and foreign policies, has planned to upgrade on a large scale its first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, to sell it to

www.navyrecognition.com

China to sell aircraft carrier to Pakistan

Moscow - The Chinese government has decided to sell its first and only aircraft carrier to Pakistan. More specifically, the Liaoning

nation.com.pk

China plays down media reports of selling aircraft carrier to Pakistan

Earlier report said China, which shares close linkages with the Pakistan military, is currently building four modern naval ships for the Pakistan Navy.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

I read this as well....
I do think within next 2 years we will see a permanent PLAN detachment for Indian Ocean / Arabian Sea to "safe guard" Chinese trade to Africa via CPEC. They will call Jinnah Naval Base as their regional base And we will be doing a lot of cross service duties with them.

It actually is in line with the Chinese "string of pearls" strategy of stringing naval bases from Myanmar to Djibouti all around India

It is not just obtaining a carrier but you require a whole task force to go along with it.

 

[Khafee]

052??

After the Aman-19 ex back in early Feb 2019, A detachment of PLAN consisting of Sufrace, and Sub-Surface assets was present in the Arabian Sea, when 27th Feb happened.

 

[Khafee]

I read this as well....
I do think within next 2 years we will see a permanent PLAN detachment for Indian Ocean / Arabian Sea to "safe guard" Chinese trade to Africa via CPEC. They will call Jinnah Naval Base as their regional base And we will be doing a lot of cross service duties with them.

It actually is in line with the Chinese "string of pearls" strategy of stringing naval bases from Myanmar to Djibouti all around India

It is not just obtaining a carrier but you require a whole task force to go along with it.

Point to be noted!

 

[Gripen9]

I read this as well....
I do think within next 2 years we will see a permanent PLAN detachment for Indian Ocean / Arabian Sea to "safe guard" Chinese trade to Africa via CPEC. They will call Jinnah Naval Base as their regional base And we will be doing a lot of cross service duties with them.

It actually is in line with the Chinese "string of pearls" strategy of stringing naval bases from Myanmar to Djibouti all around India

It is not just obtaining a carrier but you require a whole task force to go along with it.

Point to be noted!

A typical US Navy carrier task force has 2-4 aegis cruisers/destroyers 1 Tico (for Area AD cover), 2-3 Arleigh Burkes for ASW/AAW and used to have 4 goalkeeper FFGs for internal ring ASW/Anti missile defense. The Task Force has a vanguard of 2 SSNs sweeping 100 miles in front for any submerged threats. Imagine this flotilla entering Straights of Malacca or the Gulf in its confined spaces.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

ZDK's are to be upgraded. Once all the Erieye's are inducted, In the even of hostilities, they will surely be there.

Please look at this pic, and the first two screens from left. What do you see?
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Not too sure.

First screen: eyes of some sort? radar coverage? But why more in the west than the east, and why some of them across the eastern border?
Second screen: assets south of Karachi? I'm more interested in what those faint lines are.

What's the foot-pedal for?

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Point to be noted!

Hmm....

 

[Counter-Errorist]

PAF’s Eagle-eyed view
Published in Show Daily 2018 - Day 3
By Asian Military Review

November 29, 2018

The PAF’s air defences systems monitor every movement in its skies, and is showing its capabilities in the Pakistan Hall. (Alan Warnes)

Protecting Pakistan’s airspace, is the main role of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF). Under Project Vision, which commenced operations 19 years ago, the PAF has done a phenomenal job doing just that.

Pulling together information from a number of multi-service sensors means the PAF has a single recognised air picture (RAP) that provides its air defenders with an eagle-eyed view. As a result it has 24/7 coverage of all its airspace, which can extend hundreds of miles out into the sea and across its borders.

One source told the IDEAS Show Daily, “we have US, European and Chinese short range, medium range and long range radars, that are both air based and ground based. They are coming from vintage and modern systems.” He went on to say, “with all this information fed and merged into our Air Space Management Centre (ASMC) we get a Recognised Air and Maritime Picture (RAMP).”

Nigeria’s Air Force Commander, Air Marshal Sadique Abubaker is given a briefing on the Air Space Management Center at the PAF’s stand on the first day of IDEAS 2018.

The Army and Navy surveillance systems are also plugged into the ASMC, along with the Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) sensor, radar and flight plans, ensuring the air surveillance coverage is robust. One example of its airborne radar input combines aerial pictures of Sweden’s Saab Erieye, French Dassault 20 and Chinese CETC ZDK-03s which are downlinked to the ASMC. It is difficult to know of such an air defence system anywhere else in the world that draws upon such a wide variety of foreign sensors. Clearly they have come up with a complex system. “No, not really,” said another spokesman, “we use our very own indigenous multi-radar tracker, integrated into all of air defence systems. We don’t rely on the tracker of those particular systems.”

At IDEAS, the same source added, “We now have a system that has been perfected over a couple of decades, so it is battle-hardened and time proven. The air threats are very unique too – they come from the long standing threat in the east and the effects of terrorism in the west, all happening along very long borders.”

The PAF has four air defence centres, covering the complete aerial space of Pakistan.

“We stitch together all the sensor’s pictures together to get the complete picture. How far it goes out to sea depends upon where the ship-borne radar is located.”

When it comes to an unidentified flying aircraft, a fighter will be launched from one of the PAF’s Air Defence Alerts (ADAs) situated around Pakistan.

They are then directed onto the target by a Ground Control Interceptor (GCI). In the eastern borders there are a lot of unmanned aerial vehicles crossing the border and both sides are looking deep into each other’s territories, to ensure they have an early airborne warning. Then there is the airspace over Afghanistan which is always uncertain because of the ongoing war on terror.

Defending Pakistan’s airspace is obviously a major motivation for everyone in the military to ensure the country is well defended.

 

[Zulu]

Agreed on all point except one China need this line not for india(not so significant for them ) but to keep open other route for themselves in case anything happen to South China side.Corona really pushing China hand on many fronts

It actually is in line with the Chinese "string of pearls" strategy of stringing naval bases from Myanmar to Djibouti all around India

 

[Gripen9]

Agreed on all point except one China need this line not for india(not so significant for them ) but to keep open other route for themselves in case anything happen to South China side.Corona really pushing China hand on many fronts

Yes of course. This is the shortest sea route to their future markets in Africa.

 

[Khafee]

Not too sure.

First screen: eyes of some sort? radar coverage? But why more in the west than the east, and why some of them across the eastern border?
Second screen: assets south of Karachi? I'm more interested in what those faint lines are.

What's the foot-pedal for?

@Gripen9 ?

 

[Scorpio]

WS-10 is not a direct copy, there are differences, hence the different versions. The latest one "H" which Zulu pointed out is the closest to AL-31 in terms of performance. Hopefully IA it should be good enough as well.

If i am not worng problem with AL 31, was its high fuel consumption and limited life fir overhauls.