Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Khafee]

@Khafee do you think that if PAF gets these J15s than it can make hurdles in F16 deal. Because obviously India will use its diplomatic power to stop this deal and US also would not like that PAF is getting air dominance over India

Stopping F16's or any other h/w will be detrimental for the US. It would mean a successful coup for the Chinese. A complete slide into the Chinese camp without any strings to hold Pak back is something they will try to avoid at any cost, logically speaking.

 

[Khafee]

Since when is multan anywhere near sindh? How about we take it out of Punjab for once? Punjab is already far more developed then any other province. The rest of them needed more investment then Punjab. They all need to brought to the same level.

Southern Punjab, is so under developed it might as well be in Sindh. Why do you think Southern Punjabis want a separate province?

 

[Khafee]

BEHAARIES are also stinking in Bengla desh camps and they are suffering much more than any one else with a label of Pakistanies.We must should think about them first of all .

Please open a thread on the Plight of Biharis stuck in Bangladesh.

The most honest man I have ever met in my life, my Units ex-IO, who retired as a Major, was a Bihari from Karachi. He turned down a fat monthly salary 4~5 times more than what he was making, and approx AED18m joining bonus, and stuck true to his oath. They dont make men like him anymore. Then you have people like MM Alam as well.

So please do some homework, and open a new thread. I look forward to your contribution.

Best Regards

 

[Safri167]

It is not ready and wont be for 3 years if at all.
A

We can wait for 3 years, no?
I don't know sir I am not a technical person but have a feeling that this is our bird!

 

[Gripen9]

Indians have exercised with Russian Su 33. They must have good idea about J15's design and tactics

They have also exercised with Singaporean and Omani F-16 as well....
Prior to this they had flown F-86s in the US, and we flew Hunters and Mig21s. That did not inhibit either to procuring the platforms.

 

[Khafee]

Indians have exercised with Russian Su 33. They must have good idea about J15's design and tactics

Are you aware that Kalaikunda air force station hosts Singaporean F16 permanently? So by your logic PAF should abandon F16s as well?


Senior officers of IAF, RSAF visit AFS Kalaikunda to commemorate 10th edition of JMT

 

[TsAr]

Action will have reactions. That is an extreme scenario I do not see plausible at all. Max production rate for F-35 is 150/year. You have orders from Nato allies, Korea, SG, Australia, Israel, Japan on top of that USAF/USN/USMC. 100 aircraft for India cannot just materialize within a year.
Even if it did, 100 F-35 package with all associated infra cost is over 12-15B. Do you think India is in a position today to fund that?

Deliveries to countries that invested in the Platform are still pending, even if India decides and buy them and USA agrees to sell it to them the bureaucratic process in India is so cumbersome that it will take them at least a decade to make a decision. Take and example of rafale they decided to buy 36 after almost 13 years....

 

[Hawkeye]

They have also exercised with Singaporean and Omani F-16 as well....
Prior to this they had flown F-86s in the US, and we flew Hunters and Mig21s. That did not inhibit either to procuring the platforms.

Yeah but didn't PAF also developed its tactics against Su30 by practicing with Chinese Flankers.

 

[War Historian]

Yes. On Nishtar Road.

No sir on Mall road near the canal crossing

 

[Caprxl]

You r right bro. Even if we can not move all capital installation. We can only move all three forces HQ there GHQ in Rawalpindi is already too old. So we have to build a new one, then why not in Fort Munro, latter slowly we can move Air HQ there. And Naval HQ must be move near the Gwadar. Not in Gwadar but near the Gwadar in Baluchistan. Develop all the area education, medical , clean water, some industrial zone and new era of Baluchistan will lead the country on path of success. And Naval command has to come forward for this initiative. Army must take part in developing of upper Baluchistan and west punjab and next military factories of aircraft overhauling and manufacturing must be near the DG khan along with tank rebuild factory can be shifted to Khuzdar ,Kalat division. All new university under the central command with R&D Labs will bring many more thing on the table which we are buying from others at this moment.
For all these developments we can utilize the Reqo Dik gold mines. A new state enterprise can be established with help of relevant companies. And all these developments can be done in next 10 years. We have to move on, past is gone but future is still , which we can make better for our next generation. Thanks a lot

Just to set some facts, a whole sector has been given to Pakistan Army for her new GHQ in Islamabad, beside the PAF complex E-9, E-10 is for PA just as E-8 is housing Naval Complex.

For more than a Decade, funds could not be procured for developing E-10, so my friend practically making a new Capital is completely out of the picture for atleast forseeable future.

 

[TomCat]

Yeah but didn't PAF also developed its tactics against Su30 by practicing with Chinese Flankers.

TBH,

In real combat, Such training experienced only matter if the soldier/pilot is brave or relaxed enough to use their mind completely in order to apply previous experiences.

Feb 27 and the IAF downs were because psychologically the IAF pilots were confused and fearful of death.

What gives you an open mind is your morale and your values...

@Khafee What do you say soldier ?

 

[Sayad]

Respected members can we avoid off-topic discussion.... Like shifting capital here and there....? Everything is humbly stated no offense please

 

[Mingle]

Just to set some facts, a whole sector has been given to Pakistan Army for her new GHQ in Islamabad, beside the PAF complex E-9, E-10 is for PA just as E-8 is housing Naval Complex.

For more than a Decade, funds could not be procured for developing E-10, so my friend practically making a new Capital is completely out of the picture for atleast forseeable future.

It's very old news Mush era

 

[Khafee]

TBH,

In real combat, Such training experienced only matter if the soldier/pilot is brave or relaxed enough to use their mind completely in order to apply previous experiences.

Feb 27 and the IAF downs were because psychologically the IAF pilots were confused and fearful of death.

What gives you an open mind is your morale and your values...

@Khafee What do you say soldier ?

When under pressure people crack. This is where training comes in, but is dependent on how well an individual absorbs it.

Under pressure he should know, under what circumstance what to do next. If this happens Option A, and IF that happens, Option C etc

 

[Gripen9]

Are you aware that Kalaikunda air force station hosts Singaporean F16 permanently? So by your logic PAF should abandon F16s as well?


Senior officers of IAF, RSAF visit AFS Kalaikunda to commemorate 10th edition of JMT

Speaking of Kalaikunda, we often overlook the other big strike done by PAF on 7, Sep 1965.
F86s of No14 Sqn based at Dhaka launched an airstrike against Kalaikunda in West Bengal. Arrived over target undetected. IAF never assumed PAF would even attempt such a thing. Kalaikunda was just barely in range. Sabres had 4 drop tanks and just internal machine guns as armament. They found neat flight line of 14+ Canberra bombers which the proceeded to decimate with multiple strafing runs. Neatly chopping of the tails. That's how they got the nickname "Tail Choppers".
Now when you see JF17s with a scimitar on the tail and Tail Choppers written you will know whose decedents these boys (and girls) are.