Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[ali razza]

First his comment in Iran, on Pk soil being used to launch terrorists, then calling OBL a martyr, I am seriously beginning to wonder, those who brought him, what were they thinking, and now must be thinking:

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that obl martyrdom thing is pure poking americans
after veto of indian terrorist

 

[Gripen9]

that obl martyrdom thing is pure poking americans
after veto of indian terrorist

But why now! Foot in Mouth. Just met with the Air Chief. Throw a monkey wrench in the works at the 11th hour.

 

[ali razza]

But why now! Foot in Mouth. Just met with the Air Chief. Throw a monkey wrench in the works at the 11th hour.

i don’t think it matters
m sure someone told him to do this speech
americans r desperate

 

[TomCat]

But why now! Foot in Mouth. Just met with the Air Chief. Throw a monkey wrench in the works at the 11th hour.

i don’t think it matters
m sure someone told him to do this speech
americans r desperate

Isn’t that spitting on one’s face just to please Murica ?
Politics is crazy game !!

Once again publicly acknowledging the OBL Incident and USA infiltration into Pak all the way to Abbotabad, gives USA the better ground, Satisfies them, In turn You get petted on the back and maybe some goodies. Might be part of a Larger Pak-US agreement, Allah janay kia hai.

I don’t think the way PMIK said “OBL ko America ne akay mardia *pause 2 seconds* Shaheed kardia”, That was a memorized speech, This I am sure of.

 

[Mzafar]

As much I Have everyday problems with saraikis ( uneducated class ONLY) on roads, The jungli rickshaw driving, banging good cars and then crying their pockets out after destroying the beauty of someone’s cars Just by their jangli dehati driving,

I find siraiki people very beautiful in their own way, They are mostly cool, Their taste of music is also unique, And they are sort of poetic and “Mazloom” people, Back in their villages, They are not provided their rights and even basic necessities just due to racism in punjab assembly.

implement strict birth control policies, They score 8 kids before 28)

As much I Have everyday problems with saraikis ( uneducated class ONLY) on roads, The jungli rickshaw driving, banging good cars and then crying their pockets out after destroying the beauty of someone’s cars Just by their jangli dehati driving,

I find siraiki people very beautiful in their own way, They are mostly cool, Their taste of music is also unique, And they are sort of poetic and “Mazloom” people, Back in their villages, They are not provided their rights and even basic necessities just due to racism in punjab assembly.

They deserve a separate province and good leaders to help sort their problems (and also implement strict birth control policies, They score 8 kids before 28)

Not cool to generalize an entire region based on your driving experience and advocating birth control for them.
Seriously, not a good post at all

 

[TomCat]

Not cool to generalize an entire region based on your driving experience and advocating birth control for them.
Seriously, not a good post at all

I have highlighted “uneducated class only”, Take it lightly, I don’t have any hate in heart, just sometimes things get over my mind.

 

[Safri167]

As much I Have everyday problems with saraikis ( uneducated class ONLY) on roads, The jungli rickshaw driving, banging good cars and then crying their pockets out after destroying the beauty of someone’s cars Just by their jangli dehati driving,

I find siraiki people very beautiful in their own way, They are mostly cool, Their taste of music is also unique, And they are sort of poetic and “Mazloom” people, Back in their villages, They are not provided their rights and even basic necessities just due to racism in punjab assembly.

They deserve a separate province and good leaders to help sort their problems (and also implement strict birth control policies, They score 8 kids before 28)

Giving a separate province doesn't solve our problems. Our politicians are more corrupt than the one's in upper punjab. There are wadera systems coming from colonial Era and then the bradri ( caste) system. Our people are mentally / physically slaves to their waderas and people are mostly uneducated lacking very necessities of life ( hospitals, schools, colleges, roads, clean drinking water, sewerage, gas etc). In my opinion it's better to develop those areas rather making a separate province.

 

[Ghessan]

Without getting into specifics, IA this year has started to take a 180 degree turn / U turn In terms of mil procurement. Undoubtedly it will be a historical one.

IA

 

[TomCat]

Giving a separate province doesn't solve our problems. Our politicians are more corrupt than the one's in upper punjab. There are wadera systems coming from colonial Era and then the bradri ( caste) system. Our people are mentally / physically slaves to their waderas and people are mostly uneducated lacking very necessities of life ( hospitals, schools, colleges, roads, clean drinking water, sewerage, gas etc). In my opinion it's better to develop those areas rather making a separate province.

J-15 thread

 

[Araz]

When under pressure people crack. This is where training comes in, but is dependent on how well an individual absorbs it.

Under pressure he should know, under what circumstance what to do next. If this happens Option A, and IF that happens, Option C etc

Surely this is drilled into any soldier whether IAF or PAF. The man from IAF was a W/C not some junior officer. So something went wrong with the airmen that day. They got blinded and then got picked out .
Anyways back to the topic.
I am sorry to throw negative vibes on this project but I still cannot see J15 in PAF service. Firstly the timing between news and delivery is wrong unless we are leasing ACs. Secondly training issues means at least 6-9 months for training. Lastly if war is round the corner then they wont be any good as training personnel takes years. The IAF will however be ahead of you having years of experience on the platform. However there is a need for a twin engined A/C for Naval as well as deep interdiction. If PAF has chosen the J15 then so be it. My own theory is is that J15 is the threat with which the US is being blackmailed for fighters. Let us see
A

 

[Gripen9]

Surely this is drilled into any soldier whether IAF or PAF. The man from IAF was a W/C not some junior officer. So something went wrong with the airmen that day. They got blinded and then got picked out .
Anyways back to the topic.
I am sorry to throw negative vibes on this project but I still cannot see J15 in PAF service. Firstly the timing between news and delivery is wrong unless we are leasing ACs. Secondly training issues means at least 6-9 months for training. Lastly if war is round the corner then they wont be any good as training personnel takes years. The IAF will however be ahead of you having years of experience on the platform. However there is a need for a twin engined A/C for Naval as well as deep interdiction. If PAF has chosen the J15 then so be it. My own theory is is that J15 is the threat with which the US is being blackmailed for fighters. Let us see
A

What if they have already been embedded with PLAAF for a while in china?

 

[War Historian]

Just to set some facts, a whole sector has been given to Pakistan Army for her new GHQ in Islamabad, beside the PAF complex E-9, E-10 is for PA just as E-8 is housing Naval Complex.

For more than a Decade, funds could not be procured for developing E-10, so my friend practically making a new Capital is completely out of the picture for atleast forseeable future.

Sir i am just asking the shifting of GHQ from Rawalpindi to DG khan, which is more secure than the current GHQ who is in 100 KM range of LOC. Not the full capital city. I know its not feasible at this moment. But if war start can we defend all our top installations which are with in 150 km range of LOC.
I mean Kamra , POF, HIT, PMA , Air academy, KRL, Nescom, Margalla Electronics, Nilore, Millitary Engineering college, NAtional Defence University, GIK institute, NAtional command authority,NUST any many more installation.
Do we ready to sacrifice all these installations.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

We have 3 other threads going in this one:

- Memories of 1965
- South Punjab separation
- Shifting or capital

Let's create separate threads for them.

The next person responding to these topics is responsible for thread creation.

@TomCat @Gripen9 @War Historian @Safri167

 

[baqai]

Stopping F16's or any other h/w will be detrimental for the US. It would mean a successful coup for the Chinese. A complete slide into the Chinese camp without any strings to hold Pak back is something they will try to avoid at any cost, logically speaking.

i agree but we have a very unpredictable Trump sitting there who may or may not wake up on the wrong side of the bed and decide to screw things up

 

[Caprxl]

Sir i am just asking the shifting of GHQ from Rawalpindi to DG khan, which is more secure than the current GHQ who is in 100 KM range of LOC. Not the full capital city. I know its not feasible at this moment. But if war start can we defend all our top installations which are with in 150 km range of LOC.
I mean Kamra , POF, HIT, PMA , Air academy, KRL, Nescom, Margalla Electronics, Nilore, Millitary Engineering college, NAtional Defence University, GIK institute, NAtional command authority,NUST any many more installation.
Do we ready to sacrifice all these installations.

I was about to reply but saw @Counter-Errorist Threat of having to create a Thread , so I backed off Will wait for some other member to create the thread & then respond there brother.

We have 3 other threads going in this one:

- Memories of 1965
- South Punjab separation
- Shifting or capital

Let's create separate threads for them.

The next person responding to these topics is responsible for thread creation.

@TomCat @Gripen9 @War Historian @Safri167

Why dont you create it ?