Egyptian Mirage V Horus released after stiff opposition from India.

[Gripen9]

Hi,

At this stage---need is a potent strike aircraft and that is where our focus needs to be---.

We have 120-C, we have SD-10 and we are on our way to get the PL-15---.

Having MICA as a defensive armament for a strike fighter can make them less reliant on dedicated escort.

 

[Khafee]

Having MICA as a defensive armament for a strike fighter can make them less reliant on dedicated escort.

True, but Mica is a WVR missile. Would a WVR missile make an escort redundant?

 

[Mingle]

True, but Mica is a WVR missile. Would a WVR missile make an escort redundant?

So fighter escorts are still relevant

 

[space cadet]

Having MICA as a defensive armament for a strike fighter can make them less reliant on dedicated escort.

you will still need to do a fighter sweep ahead of the strike group

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

I have to agree with Mastan Khan. Western media is by far the strongest tool the West got to wage war against everyone and everything.

One curious thing I never understood about media is how one person writes on a topic from his or her own lens and biased angle and readers mostly accept their view as a fact.
Many times those writing have never even been to a country they are expertly giving opinion about.

This whole idea of special interest groups owning media houses and using news to manipulate public opinion for or against the government was first started and mastered by Rupert Murdoch.

anyone who even for a min believes that the western media is free is living inthe fools paradise. I have never seen anyone on the western media mocking their own army or openly telling the president that I will drag you by your shirt.

And yet they are so quick to call somthing from the other side propaganda but fail to do the same with their own media.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

but they are not silenced. They go on TV everyday knives out to get him, and they do "Fake News" that is quite apparent and proven. You talk like the US is Russia and Trump has journalist killed or jailed, not even close, Trump can talk, and they can talk, they both have the right to do so. Now on the other hand, you Canadians don't have freedom of speech not sure if you have freedom of press, maybe you do. Those freedom are guaranteed in the US Constitution. Now I will admit, that under President Obama press freedom was damaged, but I think it is healed now

Canada isn’t the leader on press freedoms that we think it is

The Supreme Court of Canada’s decision to allow authorities to force a Vice Media reporter to hand over sensitive communications is just the latest blow to our reputation

www.theglobeandmail.com

Ofcourse we dont have freedom of speech. I never went around shoving it in everyone's faces like the Americans like to propagate. So many examples of native Americans be silenced and people never get to hear what happend in those reserves.

Now, it is silencing because there are more then one methods of doing so. Also who are you to label it "fake news". You seen to be heavily influenced by your president.

 

[space cadet]

Ofcourse we dont have freedom of speech. I never went around shoving it in everyone's faces like the Americans like to propagate. So many examples of native Americans be silenced and people never get to hear what happend in those reserves.

Now, it is silencing because there are more then one methods of doing so. Also who are you to label it "fake news". You seen to be heavily influenced by your president.

I am just going to stop now, you don't know this country, or it's freedoms.

 

[Usama]

Hi,

CPEC is nothing as compared to yemen.

Yemen would have established pak as a military power---. The most important aspect was that it came with the blessing of US and UK---and that was priceless---.

Pakistan's military's failure to take charge showed how infantile thinking pak generals had---. It also showed how vision less they were and same thing with the politicians---.

It was a guaranteed step up mobility for pakistan's economic morasse---. The GCC wanted the commodity that we had in abundance and we would have fulfilled the need---.

With guaranteed jobs---it would have brought in upwards of 5 billion dollars a year of foreign exchange---plus production of military hardware---textile and other paraphernalia---.

The most important factor would have been that it would have given us an extra 100---150 K troops---fully equipped infantry armor air force navy cargo planes etc etc etc and gratefulness of the arabs and their families---.

No---this all is nothing---. What we would have gained was the blessing and grace of the GCC families---mothers grand mothers grand fathers daughters children boys girls looking at pakistan in a totally different manner---making a life changing experience---viewing pakistanis with a different set of eyes---.

That is what was PRICELESS---. No amount of money would have bought that feeling for us---from nowhere---@Khafee---.

Dear Sir,

I have been following you on this and the other forum for a decade now and i usually understand your perspective. However in this instance i fail to do so.
I have lived in the GCC (ksa+uae) for 28 yrs and just recently moved to north america.
The way the GCC families looked at Pakistan in general was cheap labour, servants and hired guns and same would have continued had we helped with yemen.

Guaranteed jobs - this benefit has already been squeezed dry since the formation of OIC. Infact our people helped develop institutions for the GCC states while during the same period in homeland the same institutes were being torn apart (classic case of PIA v Emirates). Yes we have earned a few billion dollars in forex reserves each year but our increased reliance on this income has become a weakness which is now being exploited by our GCC friends.

A very important point that i do not see in the assesment of most people about GCC-PAK relations is the exponential growth of Indian influnce in the GCC. The most number of small and medium size business owners in the UAE are Indians and i can say that based on facts and figures which i was privy to when i worked in Dubai and the SMEs provided 70% employment in UAE so one can understand the impact on economy.
Further there are now several large size indian firms operating in oil& gas and construction sector in GCC.
Point i am trying to make is that GCC may help Pakistan but not at the expense of tbeir relations with India. It is now time that we re-visit our GCC policy.

We were at war imposed on us by our enemies using proxies (TTP), it was a long and bloody war with many military and civilian lives lost, the lessons learnt from that war helped us to not dive head first into another war. We would not have survived it.
Saudi cities are under constant threat of missile/rocket attacks, Iran is our next door neighbour and we have several Irani lobbyist in Pak as you have rightly pointed out, so why take the risk. Why should we disturb the fragile peace we have achieved at such heavy cost.

What GCC asked of us and the timing of it was wrong and what they offered in return could not have been good enough to bite. As i said they would not offer anything to us at the expense of india, because they cant do it.

Lastly, the pot is not as full as it used to be. GCC's economy is not doing well is an understatement.

 

[Khafee]

Dear Sir,

I have been following you on this and the other forum for a decade now and i usually understand your perspective. However in this instance i fail to do so.
I have lived in the GCC (ksa+uae) for 28 yrs and just recently moved to north america.
The way the GCC families looked at Pakistan in general was cheap labour, servants and hired guns and same would have continued had we helped with yemen.

Guaranteed jobs - this benefit has already been squeezed dry since the formation of OIC. Infact our people helped develop institutions for the GCC states while during the same period in homeland the same institutes were being torn apart (classic case of PIA v Emirates). Yes we have earned a few billion dollars in forex reserves each year but our increased reliance on this income has become a weakness which is now being exploited by our GCC friends.

A very important point that i do not see in the assesment of most people about GCC-PAK relations is the exponential growth of Indian influnce in the GCC. The most number of small and medium size business owners in the UAE are Indians and i can say that based on facts and figures which i was privy to when i worked in Dubai and the SMEs provided 70% employment in UAE so one can understand the impact on economy.
Further there are now several large size indian firms operating in oil& gas and construction sector in GCC.
Point i am trying to make is that GCC may help Pakistan but not at the expense of tbeir relations with India. It is now time that we re-visit our GCC policy.

We were at war imposed on us by our enemies using proxies (TTP), it was a long and bloody war with many military and civilian lives lost, the lessons learnt from that war helped us to not dive head first into another war. We would not have survived it.
Saudi cities are under constant threat of missile/rocket attacks, Iran is our next door neighbour and we have several Irani lobbyist in Pak as you have rightly pointed out, so why take the risk. Why should we disturb the fragile peace we have achieved at such heavy cost.

What GCC asked of us and the timing of it was wrong and what they offered in return could not have been good enough to bite. As i said they would not offer anything to us at the expense of india, because they cant do it.

Lastly, the pot is not as full as it used to be. GCC's economy is not doing well is an understatement.

Are you an accountant?

 

[Scorpio]

Hi,

At this stage---need is a potent strike aircraft and that is where our focus needs to be---.

We have 120-C, we have SD-10 and we are on our way to get the PL-15---.

But both of them cant be integrated on mirages

 

[Ghessan]

Dear Sir,

I have been following you on this and the other forum for a decade now and i usually understand your perspective. However in this instance i fail to do so.
I have lived in the GCC (ksa+uae) for 28 yrs and just recently moved to north america.
The way the GCC families looked at Pakistan in general was cheap labour, servants and hired guns and same would have continued had we helped with yemen.

Guaranteed jobs - this benefit has already been squeezed dry since the formation of OIC. Infact our people helped develop institutions for the GCC states while during the same period in homeland the same institutes were being torn apart (classic case of PIA v Emirates). Yes we have earned a few billion dollars in forex reserves each year but our increased reliance on this income has become a weakness which is now being exploited by our GCC friends.

A very important point that i do not see in the assesment of most people about GCC-PAK relations is the exponential growth of Indian influnce in the GCC. The most number of small and medium size business owners in the UAE are Indians and i can say that based on facts and figures which i was privy to when i worked in Dubai and the SMEs provided 70% employment in UAE so one can understand the impact on economy.
Further there are now several large size indian firms operating in oil& gas and construction sector in GCC.
Point i am trying to make is that GCC may help Pakistan but not at the expense of tbeir relations with India. It is now time that we re-visit our GCC policy.

We were at war imposed on us by our enemies using proxies (TTP), it was a long and bloody war with many military and civilian lives lost, the lessons learnt from that war helped us to not dive head first into another war. We would not have survived it.
Saudi cities are under constant threat of missile/rocket attacks, Iran is our next door neighbour and we have several Irani lobbyist in Pak as you have rightly pointed out, so why take the risk. Why should we disturb the fragile peace we have achieved at such heavy cost.

What GCC asked of us and the timing of it was wrong and what they offered in return could not have been good enough to bite. As i said they would not offer anything to us at the expense of india, because they cant do it.

Lastly, the pot is not as full as it used to be. GCC's economy is not doing well is an understatement.

we make our own impression being slaves, we were fighting politics, derailing civilian govts, snatching premiership from each other, very busy in the homeland for decades, this is us which we are not proud of. did not treat them business partners and kept shouting out loud 'muslim brothers' and seeking help. they always give us jobs by having mercy although it was their need for work force still kept upper hand.

india was developing relations during those times, developing business environment and we see huge investments in india today. interests talk there is no muslim brotherhood no such thing with which we fooled ourselves.

and we lost the opportunity came to our door, war was a blessing for us and as @Mastankhan said an opportunity that comes once in a life time and we let it go. war was inevitable, there was a standing in it for us and the share the impact was enormous. our standing among them gave us a position where they sees us with their heads upward.

 

[Mastankhan]

Dear Sir,

I have been following you on this and the other forum for a decade now and i usually understand your perspective. However in this instance i fail to do so.
I have lived in the GCC (ksa+uae) for 28 yrs and just recently moved to north america.
The way the GCC families looked at Pakistan in general was cheap labour, servants and hired guns and same would have continued had we helped with yemen.

Guaranteed jobs - this benefit has already been squeezed dry since the formation of OIC. Infact our people helped develop institutions for the GCC states while during the same period in homeland the same institutes were being torn apart (classic case of PIA v Emirates). Yes we have earned a few billion dollars in forex reserves each year but our increased reliance on this income has become a weakness which is now being exploited by our GCC friends.

A very important point that i do not see in the assesment of most people about GCC-PAK relations is the exponential growth of Indian influnce in the GCC. The most number of small and medium size business owners in the UAE are Indians and i can say that based on facts and figures which i was privy to when i worked in Dubai and the SMEs provided 70% employment in UAE so one can understand the impact on economy.
Further there are now several large size indian firms operating in oil& gas and construction sector in GCC.
Point i am trying to make is that GCC may help Pakistan but not at the expense of tbeir relations with India. It is now time that we re-visit our GCC policy.

We were at war imposed on us by our enemies using proxies (TTP), it was a long and bloody war with many military and civilian lives lost, the lessons learnt from that war helped us to not dive head first into another war. We would not have survived it.
Saudi cities are under constant threat of missile/rocket attacks, Iran is our next door neighbour and we have several Irani lobbyist in Pak as you have rightly pointed out, so why take the risk. Why should we disturb the fragile peace we have achieved at such heavy cost.

What GCC asked of us and the timing of it was wrong and what they offered in return could not have been good enough to bite. As i said they would not offer anything to us at the expense of india, because they cant do it.

Lastly, the pot is not as full as it used to be. GCC's economy is not doing well is an understatement.

Hi,

Respect is earned by actions and not talk---availing every opportunity and making the best of it first of all.

See---almost all of our leadership in the last 50 years have been thugs other than Zia---Musharraf---IK. Now when you have thugs as your leadership and thieves as your representatives---it is very difficult to get respect---but that should not stop the public----you have to keep ploughing on---.

The biggest problem that the pakistanis had was with their mindset that the GCC would always need them and they would be irreplacable---.

Well the only time you are irreplacable is when you have weapons and you are guarding their territory and winning them battles---you were offered the post of JANISSARIES---the most veneered position that a poor ally nation could dream of whose only major commodity is soldiers---and you rejected it with insults and humiliation and degrading the GCC citizens---.

We have often talked down the arabs that they are not worthy---they are lazy---they cannot work---they don't know how to work---they are weak---they don't have learning capabilities---they did not deserve the wealth that they got---and so many other thing that you have to take int account---.

Again---the bottomline is---if our leadership respects you and the country they represent---foreigners will also respect you---.

But when your leadeship steals money from your country and sends it in suit cases and motor boats filled with cash to GCC countries---what do you think the the GCC people feel about you---. Maybe like dirt---.

6-7 years---I have been writing about Yemen crisis---about rewards benefits retribution rejection consequences and one by one they all came true---.

The GCC in their anger cut us off and allied with our enemy---but that was momentary---. And now that the GCC is weak we are going to see the GCC facing some dire consequences staged by our primary enemy---.

The GCC is going to be cornered---it is going to be strangulated and if the administration is toppled---don't be surprised to see the enemy's armies marching in to take charge.

Do not be surprised to see Idols sitting in Khana Ka'aba and Masjid a Nabvi in the coming future---.

The enemy has the GCC and Pakistan and other muslim nations where it wants it to be at this stage---. It is just waiting for the TOP HEAVY administrations of GCC tumble down and chaos to erupt---.

Just be ready to see your HOLY places to be taken over rather sooner than later---.

Raheel Shareef's cowardice and lack of vision will be written in yellow in the history books---.

Iran is a pariah nation---Iran is a death trap---. Every nation that sided with Iran saw death and destruction beyond their imagination---. Iran set them up to face destruction just to save itself---. Controlling Iran was very easy for pakistan---. Not a single country in the world would have shed a tear if two or three major iranian centers were taken out---. The general public of Iran would have been grateful for their freedom from this repressive regime---.

 

[Mastankhan]

But both of them cant be integrated on mirages

Hi,

We can live without that---. We do not have issues on the BVR side---. We have about 150 +++ BVR capable aircraft.

We need to balance out our strike force---.

 

[Mastankhan]

Having MICA as a defensive armament for a strike fighter can make them less reliant on dedicated escort.

Hi,

I don't think so---. See---strike missions needs total focus on the designated job---. So---either you can complete a strike mission or launch the BVR's---you cannot do both jobs with the same aircraft---. Air forces do not work in that manner---and neither can us human beings---.

Armies for thousand of years have operated in this manner---. A strike force formed has a target in mind---it also may have a diversionary force to take on the enemy if they come across---the strike force does not get involved with the enemy---it just keeps moving forward towards it target and let the secondary force engage the enemy---.

This action has not changed at all---. Your support aircraft will engage the enemy and give you time to slip thru the enemy's defenses to reach your target and deliver your load even if they have to sacrifice their lives doing it---.

I do not know how you got that impression that you have to bomb and before that you have to engage the enemy as well in an air to air combat---.

 

[Usama]

Are you an accountant?

Yes i am. What are you implying?