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Egyptian Mirage V Horus released after stiff opposition from India.

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So, the Horus are here and its time to celebrate. They have the same radar - RC-400 that the PAF wanted for the JF-17s. I'm glad the JF-17s have much better radars today. I would love to see if the new Chinese integrative pylon can turn these into BVR platforms. Wonder what they will use for WVR - what the Egyptians currently use on them other than the MICA.
that JF17 ended up jamming that same RC400 radar of IAF's Mirage 2000-5C on 27 feb ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL


First clear photo of Thunder with KG600/700 series ECM pod, responsible for blinding Indian Air Defense radars on 27th FEB 2019.
 

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that JF17 ended up jamming that same RC400 radar of IAF's Mirage 2000-5C on 27 feb ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL


First clear photo of Thunder with KG600/700 series ECM pod, responsible for blinding Indian Air Defense radars on 27th FEB 2019.
Didnt our AWACS did that
 

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Reading on it, I see that we have only one blinder - DA-20 Falcon. Is that right? My untrained brain seems to think a crucial asset like this we should have more of.
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468 - Lodhi
469 - Iqbal
753 - Ghazi (not ECM)

These planes have been in operation since 1988 and have been continuously being updated.
But we urgently need atleast 10-15 to cover our areas of operations. 2 are adequate for small 1 time engagements like 2/27. But not enough for sustained war scenario.
 

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468 - Lodhi
469 - Iqbal
753 - Ghazi (not ECM)

These planes have been in operation since 1988 and have been continuously being updated.
But we urgently need atleast 10-15 to cover our areas of operations. 2 are adequate for small 1 time engagements like 2/27. But not enough for sustained war scenario.

Sir don't you think the jamming role should be with JF-17 dual seaters.
 

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Sir don't you think the jamming role should be with JF-17 dual seaters.
DA-20s are what you would consider as standoff jammers. The size and capacity allows for a bigger complement of specialist to monitor and tweak the jammers while in mission. And they do much more than jamming :p (that is all I was told)
but we do need dedicated EW fighters to escort strike packages deep into enemy territory for which J-15D and JF-17B fit the bill.

Some good info...

No. 24 Squadron was formed in December 1962 to carry out special missions from Peshawar. Its crew were all drawn from No. 31 B-57 Wing including the squadron commander, Squadron Leader M Iqbal. The squadron was equipped with special B-57s for electronic surveillance and the first 6 months were spent on ground training and learning about the electronic equipment. A pair of crew was also sent to the USA for training. The Squadron's two RB-57Bs had been specially converted for its tasks. The board mission of 24 Squadron was to maintain electronic surveillance of areas of interest to Pakistan.

During the 1965 war, 24 squadron flew several missions to provide electronic support measures (ESM) for PAF's counter air tasks. A F-86 strike against Amritsar was also provided effective ESM by Squadron leader M IqbaI as path finder with Squadron Leader G A Khan as his navigator. Soon after this mission Squadron Leader Iqbal and another navigator Flight Lieutenant Saifullah Lodhi were shot down by own guns near Rahwali airfield while on a practice sortie. They were both awarded Sitara-i-Juraat posthumously. Squadron Leader G A Khan also won an Sitara-i-Juraat as an intrepid navigator. Squadron Leader Rashid Mir then took over as squadron commander.

No. 24 Squadron's most daring and deep mission into Indian territory was flown in the aftermath of the 65 war. While the newly appointed squadron commander's aircraft penetrated into the Agra area another B-57 monitored its progress from many miles away. Just as Squadron Leader Mir Rashid came over Agra, a SAM-2 was fired by the Indian Air Force, but it exploded on the launching pad and caused many casualties.

A little later, when the B-57 was in the Pathankot-Amritsar area, the IAF tried to intercept it with MIG-21s but failed to do so owing to superior tactics by the PAF pilots. When it headed towards Ambala again, the IAF cleared the area of all fighters and prepared for another SAM-2 launch to shoot down the B-57. Over Ambala Rashid announced that he had been buffeted by a shockwave which had also caused one of his engines to flameout, and that some fragment of the missile had shattered his windshield

The IAF again scrambled MIG-21s hoping to catch the aircraft as it lost height but when it reentered Pakistan the chase was given up by the Indian Air Force due to the presence of a waiting pair of F-104s. The damaged B-57 was landed back safely by its pilot with considerable skill. For his plucky and valuable effort Squadron Leader Rashid was awarded Sitara-i-Juraat.

After remaining on a number-plate status for nearly ten years, the Squadron was reactivated in 1987. The sleek and precious old Dassault Falcon DA-20 has been the EW workhorse for PAF for last 20 years. PAF received two DA-20s in the late 1980s that became the part of 24 EW squadron at PAF Base Sargodha. Ever since then, these two aircrafts have been providing valuable intelligence in form of ELINT and COMINT. Besides these they have been part of every minor to major PAF exercise, regular CCS courses and also participated in many Indian Air Force exercises ( so to speak ) that took place in their Western and South Western Air Commands. Also, its onboard jammers give our pilots and Air Def controllers a very realistic glimpse into the scenario which they might face in any future conflict. 24 Squadron's motto is 'FIRST TO FLY IN, LAST TO FLY OUT '. The squadron is popularly known as BLINDERS and the DA-20s are named after the two Shaheeds of th 1965 war, one aircrat is called IQBAL and the other LODHI. Their names are printed on the aircrafts nose and always remain an inspiration for 24 squadron's crew
 

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No trap, he is very frank with me, this thread like all our other threads have been getting derailed, because I'm busy with work. My fault. Apologies

On Afg - New thread created:

As a pro may be you don't have limitations like other pros so you should provide some hints regarding J10, J15 and about Horus as if Horus are inducted then scenario can become interesting regarding further acquisitions.
 

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DA-20s are what you would consider as standoff jammers. The size and capacity allows for a bigger complement of specialist to monitor and tweak the jammers while in mission. And they do much more than jamming :p (that is all I was told)
but we do need dedicated EW fighters to escort strike packages deep into enemy territory for which J-15D and JF-17B fit the bill.

Some good info...

Sir it is better that lay mans should know only little and basics. Further on other forum I read about Mi 17 being equipped with some sort of intelligence gathering equipment was once effectively used to catch enemy communication and for info gathering.
 

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Then what are Saab 2000 for ???
Erieye is an AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning & Control) aircraft.

It has a big radar that provides radar coverage over 300-400kms.
Whenever a radar is turned on, the enemy will know about and what band it is. Think of it as a lighthouse in pitch black sea at night. Usually your AEW/C will be the only radar on, all the fighter radar are turned off and they are datalinked to the AEW/C. With AEW being the eyes for the strike package and ECM i-e jamming being done by standoff jammers, enemy's situational awareness is degraded. It doesn't know how big and what is in the air. Data from Erieye can potentially even be used to launch AMRAAMs with the strike fighter radar turned off (called slaving).
 

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Erieye is an AEW&C (Airborne Early Warning & Control) aircraft.

It has a big radar that provides radar coverage over 300-400kms.
Whenever a radar is turned on, the enemy will know about and what band it is. Think of it as a lighthouse in pitch black sea at night. Usually your AEW/C will be the only radar on, all the fighter radar are turned off and they are datalinked to the AEW/C. With AEW being the eyes for the strike package and ECM i-e jamming being done by standoff jammers, enemy's situational awareness is degraded. It doesn't know how big and what is in the air. Data from Erieye can potentially even be used to launch AMRAAMs with the strike fighter radar turned off (called slaving).
So fighter jets turn off their radars and link with AWE/C , AWE/C sends info to these fighter jets and even guides the AMRAAMs/BVR missiles because of long range of its radars , and even when enemy radar catches or lock on to strike package frequency it really dont show how many or how big the strike package is , and EW/ECM aircraft tries to jam these enemy radars ???? Is it the right sequence ? I was under the impression that jamming is also performed by Erieye
 

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So fighter jets turn off their radars and link with AWE/C , AWE/C sends info to these fighter jets and even guides the AMRAAMs/BVR missiles because of long range of its radars , and even when enemy radar catches or lock on to strike package frequency it really dont show how many or how big the strike package is , and EW/ECM aircraft tries to jam these enemy radars ???? Is it the right sequence ? I was under the impression that jamming is also performed by Erieye
Don't want to derail this thread. Will open a separate thread about AEW&C vs ECM. I do need to do a bit of research on my own as well on the subject.
Inshallah will tag you once I have some free time to do it :)
 
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