Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[Cookie Monster]

Easier said then done, where would the finances come from.....

Read the last few sentences of that post...

 

[Scorpio]

178 block 52 F16 without BVR

 

[Zeeman]

Very nice summary of who paid for what in the last 19 years of weapons from the USA:

Major U.S. Arms Sales and Grants to Pakistan Since 2001 Prepared by the Congressional Research Service for distribution to multiple congressional offices, May 4, 2015



Major U.S. arms sales and grants to Pakistan since 2001 have included numerous items useful for counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations, along with a number of “big ticket” platforms more suited to conventional warfare. In dollar value terms, the bulk of purchases have been made with Pakistani national funds, although U.S. grants have eclipsed these in recent years. The Pentagon reports total Foreign Military Sales agreements with Pakistan worth about $5.4 billion for FY2002-FY2014 (sales of F-16 combat aircraft and related equipment account for nearly half of this). Congress has appropriated about $3.6 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) for Pakistan since 2001, more than two-thirds of which has been disbursed. These funds are used to purchase U.S. military equipment for longer-term modernization efforts. Pakistan also has been granted U.S. defense supplies as Excess Defense Articles (EDA). Cost include training and support.


Major post-2001 defense supplies provided, or soon to be provided, under FMF include:

• ! eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million, four delivered,
  three of which were destroyed in a 2011 attack by Islamist militants);
• ! at least 5,750 military radio sets ($212 million);
• ! 2,007 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million);
• ! six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);
• ! six C-130E Hercules transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);
• ! the Perry-class missile frigate USS McInerney, via special EDA authorization ($65 million for refurbishment;
  now the PNS Alamgir);
• ! 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters via EDA ($48 million for refurbishment, 12 delivered); and
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• ! 15 Scan Eagle reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles ($30 million).
  Supplies paid for with a mix of Pakistani national funds and FMF include:
• ! up to 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477 million of this
  in FMF; Pakistan has purchased 45 such kits, with all upgrades completed to date); and
  ! 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with $53 million in FMF).
  Notable items paid or to be paid for entirely with Pakistani national funds include:
• ! 18 new F-16C/D Block 52 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft (valued at $1.43 billion);
• ! F-16 armaments including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500 JDAM Tail
  Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits, also for gravity bombs ($629
  million);
• ! 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles ($298 million);
• ! 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million); and
• ! seven Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
  Major articles transferred via EDA include:
  • ! 14 F-16A/B Fighting Falcon combat aircraft;
  • ! 59 T-37 Tweet military trainer jets; and
  • ! 374 M113 armored personnel carriers.
    Under Coalition Support Funds (in the Pentagon budget), Pakistan received 26 Bell 412EP utility helicopters, along with related parts and maintenance, valued at $235 million. Under Section 1206, Frontier Corps, and Pakistan Counterinsurgency Fund authorities, the United States has provided 4 Mi-17 multirole helicopters (another 6 were provided temporarily at no cost), 4 King Air 350 surveillance aircraft, 450 vehicles for the Frontier Corps, 20 Buffalo explosives detection and disposal vehicles, helicopter spare parts, explosives detectors, night vision devices, radios, body armor, helmets, first aid kits, litters, and other individual soldier equipment. Through International Military Education and Training and other programs, the United States has funded and provided training for more than 2,000 Pakistani military officers. In April 2015, the State Department approved a possible $952 million FMS deal with Pakistan for 15 AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters and 1,000 Hellfire II missiles, along with helicopter engines, avionics, training, and support.
    Sources: U.S. Departments of Defense and State Contact: K. Alan Kronstadt, Specialist in South Asian Affairs, 7-5415

 

[space cadet]

Very nice summary of who paid for what in the last 19 years of weapons from the USA:

Major U.S. Arms Sales and Grants to Pakistan Since 2001 Prepared by the Congressional Research Service for distribution to multiple congressional offices, May 4, 2015



Major U.S. arms sales and grants to Pakistan since 2001 have included numerous items useful for counterterrorism and counterinsurgency operations, along with a number of “big ticket” platforms more suited to conventional warfare. In dollar value terms, the bulk of purchases have been made with Pakistani national funds, although U.S. grants have eclipsed these in recent years. The Pentagon reports total Foreign Military Sales agreements with Pakistan worth about $5.4 billion for FY2002-FY2014 (sales of F-16 combat aircraft and related equipment account for nearly half of this). Congress has appropriated about $3.6 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) for Pakistan since 2001, more than two-thirds of which has been disbursed. These funds are used to purchase U.S. military equipment for longer-term modernization efforts. Pakistan also has been granted U.S. defense supplies as Excess Defense Articles (EDA). Cost include training and support.


Major post-2001 defense supplies provided, or soon to be provided, under FMF include:

• ! eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million, four delivered,
  three of which were destroyed in a 2011 attack by Islamist militants);
• ! at least 5,750 military radio sets ($212 million);
• ! 2,007 TOW anti-armor missiles ($186 million);
• ! six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);
• ! six C-130E Hercules transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);
• ! the Perry-class missile frigate USS McInerney, via special EDA authorization ($65 million for refurbishment;
  now the PNS Alamgir);
• ! 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters via EDA ($48 million for refurbishment, 12 delivered); and
• 
  
• 
  
• 
  
• ! 15 Scan Eagle reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles ($30 million).
  Supplies paid for with a mix of Pakistani national funds and FMF include:
• ! up to 60 Mid-Life Update kits for F-16A/B combat aircraft (valued at $891 million, with $477 million of this
  in FMF; Pakistan has purchased 45 such kits, with all upgrades completed to date); and
  ! 115 M-109 self-propelled howitzers ($87 million, with $53 million in FMF).
  Notable items paid or to be paid for entirely with Pakistani national funds include:
• ! 18 new F-16C/D Block 52 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft (valued at $1.43 billion);
• ! F-16 armaments including 500 AMRAAM air-to-air missiles; 1,450 2,000-pound bombs; 500 JDAM Tail
  Kits for gravity bombs; and 1,600 Enhanced Paveway laser-guided kits, also for gravity bombs ($629
  million);
• ! 100 Harpoon anti-ship missiles ($298 million);
• ! 500 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles ($95 million); and
• ! seven Phalanx Close-In Weapons System naval guns ($80 million).
  Major articles transferred via EDA include:
  • ! 14 F-16A/B Fighting Falcon combat aircraft;
  • ! 59 T-37 Tweet military trainer jets; and
  • ! 374 M113 armored personnel carriers.
    Under Coalition Support Funds (in the Pentagon budget), Pakistan received 26 Bell 412EP utility helicopters, along with related parts and maintenance, valued at $235 million. Under Section 1206, Frontier Corps, and Pakistan Counterinsurgency Fund authorities, the United States has provided 4 Mi-17 multirole helicopters (another 6 were provided temporarily at no cost), 4 King Air 350 surveillance aircraft, 450 vehicles for the Frontier Corps, 20 Buffalo explosives detection and disposal vehicles, helicopter spare parts, explosives detectors, night vision devices, radios, body armor, helmets, first aid kits, litters, and other individual soldier equipment. Through International Military Education and Training and other programs, the United States has funded and provided training for more than 2,000 Pakistani military officers. In April 2015, the State Department approved a possible $952 million FMS deal with Pakistan for 15 AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters and 1,000 Hellfire II missiles, along with helicopter engines, avionics, training, and support.
    Sources: U.S. Departments of Defense and State Contact: K. Alan Kronstadt, Specialist in South Asian Affairs, 7-5415

and people talk bad about the US

 

[Mingle]

So Horus mirages not coming means more JF-17 along F16s EDA and New let's see how this will pan out

 

[Scorpio]

If mirages not coming and trip of Egyptian C130s. Rumour of few Egyptian F16s block 52 (does not make sence from Egyptian points of view). But can be possible we all know who can ask them.

This means two thing that PAF now not much interested in Horus or Egypt wanted to keep them or sale to someone else.

From PAF point of view, its possible they now are more sure about F16s from usa (new and eda).

Or that my point of view, may be PAF find sone other suitable option in any other plateform for this attach role, This can any used or new plateform.

 

[Mingle]

If mirages not coming and trip of Egyptian C130s. Rumour of few Egyptian F16s block 52 (does not make sence from Egyptian points of view). But can be possible we all know who can ask them.

This means two thing that PAF now not much interested in Horus or Egypt wanted to keep them or sale to someone else.

From PAF point of view, its possible they now are more sure about F16s from usa (new and eda).

Or that my point of view, may be PAF find sone other suitable option in any other plateform for this attach role, This can any used or new plateform.

I also believe would be in decent numbers especially used ones from EDA like from US and EU I believe they are more worth than Horus F16s is versatile can be used maritime deep strike and deadly against enemy. If PAF get good upgrade packages these planes are good for another 15-20yrs

 

[Armchair]

Even if F-16s were acquired, Horus Mirages would have still made sense. Perhaps Pakistan could as Saudis to intervene to get the Mirages cleared.

 

[Armchair]

Interestingly, the radar the Horus comes with was originally requested by Pakistan from France for the JF-17. Along with engines. France refused. The rest is history.

 

[Scorpio]

I also believe would be in decent numbers especially used ones from EDA like from US and EU I believe they are more worth than Horus F16s is versatile can be used maritime deep strike and deadly against enemy. If PAF get good upgrade packages these planes are good for another 15-20yrs

Agree. Only if we got them, without any conditional string attached for operation

 

[Mingle]

Even if F-16s were acquired, Horus Mirages would have still made sense. Perhaps Pakistan could as Saudis to intervene to get the Mirages cleared.

With J15 on Horizon I doubt PAF will spend money on mirages

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

and people talk bad about the US

The mess that most of these are needed for is your governments fault to begin with. How about you start to look within for the accusations most of the world puts on you. Stop staring at FOX all day like a zombie.

 

[Scorpio]

and people talk bad about the US

Do thay give it for free ? Do you know on what cost we got ?
Answer is thousands of human lifes , our nationals, someone parents , someone sibling, someone children, someone spouses, can these pennies pay for our loses

 

[Zulu]

J 15 is for totally diff role , diff theater.Mirage going to stay with us much longer .Only surprise why this deal is dragging so long.On political level we don't have any deep relations so any breakthrough will only come by our forces contact or GCC countries pushes it

With J15 on Horizon I doubt PAF will spend money on mirages

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Do thay give it for free ? Do you know on what cost we got ?
Answer is thousands of human lifes , our nationals, someone parents , someone sibling, someone children, someone spouses, can these penises pay for our loses

MERICA! Thats all they are brainwashed to know.