Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[Pakhtoon yum]

No seriously F35 will introduce a completely new system in SE Asis . Stealth has never been mentioned before and the consequences will be very expensive for us.

Neither were nuclear weapons when the Indians introduced them. People adopt and advance those that get left behind are doomed.

 

[Khafee]

No seriously F35 will introduce a completely new system in SE Asis . Stealth has never been mentioned before and the consequences will be very expensive for us.

F16's cannot compete with F35's, It would mean that PAF has lost parity with IAF. Which would mean either Project Azm or another 5th Gen.

 

[TomCat]

In that case Pakistan have to go for early inductions of J31 , to have something in lines to counter 5th generation

On the other forum, Bilal Quwa did mention something similar “Next 6-12 months are very important for AZM”, and he was a bit disappointed due to reasons unknown.

I hope F-16s and all the goodies don’t force us to withdraw the idea of AZM, Which is still in its initial stages.

@Khafee @Mastankhan @Zeeman @ali razza

 

[Scorpio]

F16's cannot compete with F35's, It would mean that PAF has lost parity with IAF. Which would mean either Project Azm or another 5th Gen.

As project azm is too much away. American giving F35 ti indian means, pushing pakistan directly to procure or lease chines sealth option.
Although J20 is not for export, but in that case china can consider sharing few birds with soft loans Or lease

 

[Scorpio]

On the other forum, Bilal Quwa did mention something similar “Next 6-12 months are very important for AZM”, and he was a bit disappointed due to reasons unknown.

I hope F-16s and all the goodies don’t force us to withdraw the idea of AZM, Which is still in its initial stages.

@Khafee @Mastankhan @Zeeman @ali razza

Dont forger his latest secret for year end was actually Saab Awacs

 

[Caprxl]

In my one liner, USA is not going to let India have F35, they would milk em with conventional fighter sale 1st before they would let them near F35.

Plus, India herself will hesitate to go for a sophisticated stealty aircraft from USA with fear of being controlled & arm twisting from USA.

Also USA would keep India's leesh in check for maintaining strategic balance in south Asia. Providing IAF with F35 will open oppurtunity for China to bring J20 in Pakistan.

 

[Scorpio]

In my one liner, USA is not going to let India have F35, they would milk em with conventional fighter sale 1st before they would let them near F35.

Plus, India herself will hesitate to go for a sophisticated stealty aircraft from USA with fear of being controlled & arm twisting from USA.

Also USA would keep India's leesh in check for maintaining strategic balance in south Asia. Providing IAF with F35 will open oppurtunity for China to bring J20 in Pakistan.

Bro is this one liner ?
Anyway agree on one point , giving F35 to indian mean, making Pakistan force to have chines sealth in line.

 

[Cookie Monster]

In my one liner, USA is not going to let India have F35, they would milk em with conventional fighter sale 1st before they would let them near F35.

Plus, India herself will hesitate to go for a sophisticated stealty aircraft from USA with fear of being controlled & arm twisting from USA.

Also USA would keep India's leesh in check for maintaining strategic balance in south Asia. Providing IAF with F35 will open oppurtunity for China to bring J20 in Pakistan.

The only real chance of India getting F35...is under Trump. He is the only one who can be unorthodox at times if massive sums of money are involved. However due to economic slowdown the world over(India included) due to COVID19. Neither India would have billions to throw...nor would Trump be able to convince in this short time all the relevant parties to let the sale through.

Some sticking points among others are India's purchase of S400 and other Russian weaponry and India not buying F21(that US was hoping to milk India with).

With the elections coming up...Trump will have(my guess) another 4 years...which I don't think is sufficient time for India to clear the hurdles and convince US to sell them the F35.

Once Trump is out...and the likes of Biden are in...it would go back to the traditional presidency...where a president mostly does what the establishment wants. In that case it would be much harder for India to get the F35. In this scenario it would become available when it's no longer the American top of the line stuff...or if US would need to arm India bcuz China/Pak's advantage(via their 5th gen) is starting to create an imbalance.

 

[Caprxl]

Bro is this one liner ?
Anyway agree on one point , giving F35 to indian mean, making Pakistan force to have chines sealth in line.

Hahaha, well I intended it to be 1 liner but brain kept signalling & fingers couldn't resist ?
So I let it as it is to make the members Feeel it.

The only real chance of India getting F35...is under Trump. He is the only one who can be unorthodox at times if massive sums of money are involved. However due to economic slowdown the world over(India included) due to COVID19. Neither India would have billions to throw...nor would Trump be able to convince in this short time all the relevant parties to let the sale through.

Some sticking points among others are India's purchase of S400 and other Russian weaponry and India not buying F21(that US was hoping to milk India with).

With the elections coming up...Trump will have(my guess) another 4 years...which I don't think is sufficient time for India to clear the hurdles and convince US to sell them the F35.

Once Trump is out...and the likes of Biden are in...it would go back to the traditional presidency...where a president mostly does what the establishment wants. In that case it would be much harder for India to get the F35. In this scenario it would become available when it's no longer the American top of the line stuff...or if US would need to arm India bcuz China/Pak's advantage(via their 5th gen) is starting to create an imbalance.

Agreed, well conceived. I would just like to add that after failure of Namaste Trump & no joint Press Conference of Trump & Modi, am very much relieved.
Add your above analysis to it & I think things will be manageable.

"Allah knows d best & is the best of Planners"​

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Those that are worrying about a plane that isnt even in the enemies hands yet. Look at the bright sides of things. If India got it then it will force PAF to leap forward in more ways then one. They would have to counter it and gather Intelligence on one or the world's most advance fighters.

Right now PAF is sidelining any ideas of a confrontation with F22 or F35. Where if this happend then PAF would be ready to take on USAF not just the IAF.

 

[Mamba]

On the other forum, Bilal Quwa did mention something similar “Next 6-12 months are very important for AZM”, and he was a bit disappointed due to reasons unknown.

I hope F-16s and all the goodies don’t force us to withdraw the idea of AZM, Which is still in its initial stages.

@Khafee @Mastankhan @Zeeman @ali razza

Project Azm IMHO is nothing but another PAF wet dream. How's that if you may ask? Well, let me give you an example. At the time when the Muricans and the Russians were in a race to get to the moon first, a "scientist" from ZAMBIA (yes you heard it right) challenged to get to the moon first. We all know who got their first and that "scientist" faded into forever darkness.

Point here is that you have to have the knowledge, profound research capability, skills, expertise, technology, the capacity, a mature history of ac building, and most importantly truck loads of cash to develop a 5th gen AC. Pakistan, as of now has neither of them, at least not for the coming solid 20-yrs or so. You can't just go right away into building an "indigenous" 5th gen by simply being able to overhaul a 3rd gen mirage or partnering in 4th gen AC program.

The chinese have been building ac for at least 40-50yrs for now yet it took them almost 2 decades for an "operational" J20. The Americans have been building ac since "forever" yet they're struggling with their F35. The Russians have their own never ending problems with PAK-FA. Heck even the Japanese have been trying to make their own 5th gen from the last decade and getting nowhere. But here we have a country with very negligible ac building experience aiming to build an "indigenous' 5th gen AC all by itself.

They could have JV with the Chinese on J31 project, learn from it, and develop it further like they did in JF-17. But no, just by JVing in one project they thought they could build a stealth fighter in 15-18yrs. I'm afraid that this project would turn into a massive disappointment. The goons at the PAF has set a ticking embarrassment time bomb on their heads and on nation's head. There's a thin line btwn confidence and over confidence.

On a relatable reference, where's that nuclear submarine that we were building that was supposed to be ready by 2020?

 

[Zeeman]

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[Mastankhan]

Hi,

I believe the real issue is with India---. Once india gets the F35---it is forever enslaved by the US---"the kill switches ".

For that very reason---india would stay away from US fighter aircraft---.

Whereas the Paf can live with those---the indian psyche would not allow them to---.

It would literally strangle / suffocate them---.

 

[War Historian]

Blk 70 is GE engine. Lockheed and DoD have an agreement with GE to supply all future engines for F16's.

GE Aviation Awarded $707 Million for F110 engine production

Sir it means all future F-16 will be powered by GE engines no more Pratt &Whittiny engine.
Sir do u think it will cause a logistic , maintenance problem in future for Pakistan or it will bless with experience on a new type of engine for PAF maintenance department.

 

[War Historian]

Solid point of view with relistic approach

Just will add my opnion, agree we should get as many F16 we can get ASAP before American change mind.

But additionally we can induct few chanines which are in process as J15
but i am in favour to induct few russian birds too like Mig 35 (which is 50 $ million apx) will lead us to Directly to Mig 41 (6th generation ) or any other

so if American agian try to corners us in future we will have option of alternatives plateform like our Thandars and J15 from China and few russian like Mig 35 too

Sir it will create a logistic nightmare for PAF
Thunder birds. local/Chinese
F-16 American
J-15 Chinese
MIG -35. Russian
I think PAF in trying to avoid maintenance problem of different brands in future. So therefore they are actually chasing the F-16 around the globe in my opinion.
And along with local bird Thunder getting close to F-16 after every block. Thanks