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Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

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Sir it will create a logistic nightmare for PAF
Thunder birds. local/Chinese
F-16 American
J-15 Chinese
MIG -35. Russian
I think PAF in trying to avoid maintenance problem of different brands in future. So therefore they are actually chasing the F-16 around the globe in my opinion.
And along with local bird Thunder getting close to F-16 after every block. Thanks
Agree with you limited plateform limited maintenance.
But problem here is our past experience, Usa can block of supplies any time in future (thay dont need reason , thay simply can create any whenever thay want) secondly these F16 will have operation limitations like our F16 block 52 cant be used in aggressive mood etc.
Inducting one alternative of F16 in medium category will not in limited quantity give edge. Free us from tension of American ban, also give idea to Americans that we have backup to these restrictions will not hurt us much
 

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and people talk bad about the US
Excess Defence Article.

These figures are not confirmed. Still being negotiated. The numbers have changed, but I dont want to reveal them. I have been asked not to.
Agree J20 not power with F35 , but not that bad either. When making combinations of J20 with J16 or J11Bx , this combination is enough to counter endian.
Secondly F35 on its own have alot of issue, not much war proven.
if we cant get f35 that does not mean it is an average fighter despite all the flaws it has f35 is still the most advance fighter till to date period.
 

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Agree with you limited plateform limited maintenance.
But problem here is our past experience, Usa can block of supplies any time in future (thay dont need reason , thay simply can create any whenever thay want) secondly these F16 will have operation limitations like our F16 block 52 cant be used in aggressive mood etc.
Inducting one alternative of F16 in medium category will not in limited quantity give edge. Free us from tension of American ban, also give idea to Americans that we have backup to these restrictions will not hurt us much
Sir you r right about the American sanctions. For that reason, if i have to choose i will go the future beast J-31. Now member must said it is not ready stealth jet. Sir please take it now as a 4+ gen jet not as 5 gen jet only check it as weapons can be loaded on parallel to any medium to heavy jet and it can handle the current indian inventory. Then its good for us now. For future we can join the Chinese and Turkish folks to help us making it more deadly and more stealthy. But for J-15 or Mig -35 it will be waste of limited and precious resources of PAF. If we join the Chinese on J-31 it can be another joint brand for both countries like JFT -17. Thanks Sir.
 

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Project Azm IMHO is nothing but another PAF wet dream. How's that if you may ask? Well, let me give you an example. At the time when the Muricans and the Russians were in a race to get to the moon first, a "scientist" from TANZANIA (yes you heard it right) challenged to get to the moon first. We all know who got their first and that "scientist" faded into forever darkness.

Point here is that you have to have the knowledge, profound research capability, skills, expertise, technology, the capacity, a mature history of ac building, and most importantly truck loads of cash to develop a 5th gen AC. Pakistan, as of now has neither of them, at least not for the coming solid 20-yrs or so. You can't just go right away into building an "indigenous" 5th gen by simply being able to overhaul a 3rd gen mirage or partnering in 4th gen AC program.

The chinese have been building ac for at least 40-50yrs for now yet it took them almost 2 decades for an "operational" J20. The Americans have been building ac since "forever" yet they're struggling with their F35. The Russians have their own never ending problems with PAK-FA. Heck even the Japanese have been trying to make their own 5th gen from the last decade and getting nowhere. But here we have a country with very negligible ac building experience aiming to build an "indigenous' 5th gen AC all by itself.

They could have JV with the Chinese on J31 project, learn from it, and develop it further like they did in JF-17. But no, just by JVing in one project they thought they could build a stealth fighter in 15-18yrs. I'm afraid that this project would turn into a massive disappointment. The goons at the PAF has set a ticking embarrassment time bomb on their heads and on nation's head. There's a thin line btwn confidence and over confidence.

On a relatable reference, where's that nuclear submarine that we were building that was supposed to be ready by 2020?
Realy a thoughtfull analaysis of ground reality but dont lose ur hearts slow but steady wins the race if keep yourself moving toward right target example is our nuclear and then missile program.pakistani nation is very hard working what i observed in my 30years of stay in middle east and can compete if they realy come into competition.Insha Allah we will cross all herdals with a real guide leading us.
 

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Please do come hit me up when the deal actually takes off the ground and I'm not even talking about the AC getting delivered.

I wont even go into how we'll be funding this project, but for a number this high and active orders with LM, this deal will probably take 5-years to complete if the deal were to happen today.

Hello, and welcome - thanks for your contribution. I can address the above points for you.

1) you would like to be hit up when the deal takes off the ground, regardless of aircraft being delivered - please note that, in that case, this deal is well and truly off the ground.

2) yes this deal has been in works for 5+ years


All the best.
 

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Let's just assume tomorrow we get approval for Block 70 F16s along with all the gadgets and everything on our wish list. What I am worried about is the Indian response.
They will show up in Washington for their Randi rona and demand F35 to counter these F16s. I have no doubt in my mind that after India's drama with China they will get full sympethaic ear in Congress and for sure will get approval for F35s.
Then what? How are we going to counter F35? what options we will have to match F35? As far as J20 is concerned it doesn't seem to be any where near the F35 capability.

BAU. They are already doing all of the above & more.
 

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Sir you r right about the American sanctions. For that reason, if i have to choose i will go the future beast J-31. Now member must said it is not ready stealth jet. Sir please take it now as a 4+ gen jet not as 5 gen jet only check it as weapons can be loaded on parallel to any medium to heavy jet and it can handle the current indian inventory. Then its good for us now. For future we can join the Chinese and Turkish folks to help us making it more deadly and more stealthy. But for J-15 or Mig -35 it will be waste of limited and precious resources of PAF. If we join the Chinese on J-31 it can be another joint brand for both countries like JFT -17. Thanks Sir.
J31 can have an other option, but its in prototype phase, its not must we go for Mig or Su , if suite PAF we should go for it considering its actual delivery timeline.
 

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if we cant get f35 that does not mean it is an average fighter despite all the flaws it has f35 is still the most advance fighter till to date period.
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Project Azm IMHO is nothing but another PAF wet dream. How's that if you may ask? Well, let me give you an example. At the time when the Muricans and the Russians were in a race to get to the moon first, a "scientist" from TANZANIA (yes you heard it right) challenged to get to the moon first. We all know who got their first and that "scientist" faded into forever darkness.

Point here is that you have to have the knowledge, profound research capability, skills, expertise, technology, the capacity, a mature history of ac building, and most importantly truck loads of cash to develop a 5th gen AC. Pakistan, as of now has neither of them, at least not for the coming solid 20-yrs or so. You can't just go right away into building an "indigenous" 5th gen by simply being able to overhaul a 3rd gen mirage or partnering in 4th gen AC program.

The chinese have been building ac for at least 40-50yrs for now yet it took them almost 2 decades for an "operational" J20. The Americans have been building ac since "forever" yet they're struggling with their F35. The Russians have their own never ending problems with PAK-FA. Heck even the Japanese have been trying to make their own 5th gen from the last decade and getting nowhere. But here we have a country with very negligible ac building experience aiming to build an "indigenous' 5th gen AC all by itself.

They could have JV with the Chinese on J31 project, learn from it, and develop it further like they did in JF-17. But no, just by JVing in one project they thought they could build a stealth fighter in 15-18yrs. I'm afraid that this project would turn into a massive disappointment. The goons at the PAF has set a ticking embarrassment time bomb on their heads and on nation's head. There's a thin line btwn confidence and over confidence.

On a relatable reference, where's that nuclear submarine that we were building that was supposed to be ready by 2020?
I didn’t bother to read after first line
 

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couldnt find Block 20 in their inventory
They dont.
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