Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[maxpane]

a skirmish leads to a war...If PAF had not shut them up on 27th you never know what would have followed.

a thing which i like about indian armed forces is that they always take time without being emotional and thats their real strenghth .

 

[Mingle]

who said them that donate that money? . it was a blunder . sir

Well we need money earth quake was Bad plus doesn't go well into the public

 

[maxpane]

Well we need money earth quake was Bad plus doesn't go well into the public

sir g that was not a good decision

 

[TsAr]

who said them that donate that money? . it was a blunder . sir

Countless people died , millions homeless and you want that the govt go on a buying spree.....You have saved money to buy a new car which you do need for your daily commute but your family member becomes seriously ill, would you let your family member die and go buy a car since you need it or pay for the hospitalization for the family member....
Stop getting ideas from others posts and do some research on your own plz....

 

[TsAr]

sir g that was not a good decision

you did not have money to feed and provide shelter to your country men and were requesting AID from different countries and on the other hand you go on buying fighter jets

 

[maxpane]

Countless people died , millions homeless and you want that the govt go on a buying spree.....You have saved money to buy a new car which you do need for your daily commute but your family member becomes seriously ill, would you let your family member die and go buy a car since you need it or pay for the hospitalization for the family member....
Stop getting ideas from others posts and do some research on your own plz....

sir with due respect if you compare a weapon system to a car then i have no words. lets agree to disagree. i dnt have any answer .

 

[maxpane]

you did not have money to feed and provide shelter to your country men and were requesting AID from different countries and on the other hand you go on buying fighter jets

of i would have a hostile neighbour then i relly would buy a weapon and qould take help fridnds to set problems which i would going to face .

 

[Khafee]

@Signalian In a parallel world you beautifully outlined how a strong PAF would have helped PA & PN, can you repeat that statement here?

Would appreciate it.

 

[Khafee]

Countless people died , millions homeless and you want that the govt go on a buying spree.....You have saved money to buy a new car which you do need for your daily commute but your family member becomes seriously ill, would you let your family member die and go buy a car since you need it or pay for the hospitalization for the family member....
Stop getting ideas from others posts and do some research on your own plz....

The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to believe, that during the Mushy years PAF should have bought at least 70~80 Blk52's, and a lot of other h/w.

As a front line state on WOT, they sold themselves short.

 

[Mastankhan]

If J-10 is similar to JF-17 then why would you induct them....y not just make JF-17...you are so sure about everything , do you have an inside source?

Hi,

There are a few things---.

The J10C already has the aesa radar---. It is fully integrated---if paf wants it---otherwise the Paf can go the route of the italian radar for this aircraft.

Other than that---the J10C is a fully operatable aircraft---integration of all weapons completed and all the 'general' glitches of the system taken care of---.

All weapons are the same as those of the JF17---.

The JF17 BLK 3 has to go thru integration of all systems---.

But forget all that---. The enemy is at the gate---and there is still a shortage of a 150 frontline aircraft---.

Just remember---the JF17 lost about 5-7 years because of the POOR decisions and unpreparedness of the Paf planners---vis a vis --- french avionics and the power plant---.

 

[Mastankhan]

Countless people died , millions homeless and you want that the govt go on a buying spree.....You have saved money to buy a new car which you do need for your daily commute but your family member becomes seriously ill, would you let your family member die and go buy a car since you need it or pay for the hospitalization for the family member....
Stop getting ideas from others posts and do some research on your own plz....

Hi,

The Israelis / Golda Meir showed the world---to let the " family member" die---and they procured the right weapons so that MORE family members won't die due to " OTHER" causes---.

Those Billions were looted and plundered along with the rest of the funds---.

But why did the funds stayed with the Paf for 4 years---why did the Paf not buy the weapon on an urgent basis---that is the question---and that is HIGH TREASON against the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan.

This was a SABOTAGE on weapons procurement against the nation of pakistan---the muslim super power to be---and yet its strength was cut off by the commander of its own military force---ie the air force aka PAF---.

 

[Mastankhan]

When MK makes a statement he backs it up some positive discussion, one might agree or disagree with him....Remember year 2005 earth quake...

Hi,

Between 9/11 and 2005 earthquake---there was 4 years time period---.

At - 01 second prior to the 9/11 incidence---our Paf was a CRIPPLED air force---that could not show up even for a one or two day combat---.

A force---desperately in need to upgrade fighters and procure a large numbers of fighter on a fastrak---.

So---what happened---Pakistan got sabotaged from the inside by its own air force---and that was not the first or the last time---.

The reason given by the Paf for donating money to the EQ fund was that the Paf had analyzed that peace is around the corner and there will be no war with india---we don't need to buy a foreign aircraft---let us build one by ourselves and donate the funds---.

The worst deceit always comes from your own---you near dear and beloved---.

Paf stabbed pakistan in the back and thru the heart---.

 

[HRK]

Su35 was a decoy for EF. But for EF, cash is an issue. IMO the Chinese options should be seriously looked at.

Last rumour I heard about EF is that UK (or Italy , country of origin was not mentioned) was demanding euro 60 million for each block-1 Typhoons spares and some armaments were part of the package, but deal fell through for some reason, my guess in this regard is that the upgrade package was expensive and was not included in 60 million EUR price so overall it was an expansive deal.

For Su-35 Russians did not entertain our request to integrate it with AESA Radar for some unknown reason and were also resisting to integrate Chinese and Pakistani weapon package which PAF already have in its inventory

I can not confirm or deny these rumors but if these are true than we are left only with JF-17 option

One option for which many of us were enthusiasts about was the J-10CE (export model) but it appears that it is J-10B with AESA so in other words in reality its J-10B+ as it is reported PLAF is still reluctant to grant permission for the export of J-10C additionally other than weapon pay load on the same number of hard points as JF-17 the J-10CE does not offer combat radius better than JF-17

 

[Mastankhan]

a skirmish leads to a war...If PAF had not shut them up on 27th you never know what would have followed.

Hi,

The 26th was not leading to a war---if it was---the indians would have thrown its full might after the 27 and decimated paf---even thiugh IAF may have taken huge losses---.

The 26th was to test the water for what came 8 1/2 months later Kashmir 370---.

The indians were only judging the reaction of the Paf---would it be bravery or would it be cowardice---.

If the pakistani public and people in power had not retaliated against the Paf after the 26th strike---the Paf would have not done anything---. They were happy---.

One has to look at how things progressed---.

India gave open warnings and made and clear statements of where they would strike---yet Paf was not ready to take them out on the 26th---once they saw the IAF aircraft coming---they directed or scrambled their aircraft to SHOO indian aircraft away---.

Paf had no intention of taking out the enemy on the 26th---why---because the Paf leadership is led by indecisive COWARDS---.

AVM Paracha shat in his pants when request came for immediate action---when Paf Pilots locked onto 6 enemy aircraft and AVM Paracha was flying with them---he did not have the courage and ballz to give the go ahead---because the top leadership had not thought about it---.

If an israeli general was in position like Paracha---those six enemy aircraft would have bitten dust---.

The supposed approval came in 15-16 seconds too late---the enemy escaped---.

They also let the billion dollar enemy Scorpene sub escape as well---PAF---a command full of gutless cowards---.

 

[HRK]

we have wasted two decades and still we are finding . its the joke. first they were saying we have money but no body wants to sell us . Now they are saying we dnt have money . there is some thing wrong

We are in 2019 which mean the two decades which you are quoting starts from 1999, so I would request you to plz before commenting about theses two decades look at the induction of fighter jets in PAF which are

Fourth Gen Fighters
F-16s (18 blk +52 + 14 + 13 blk 15 ADF version) = 45 additionally previous fleet of 32 F-16 avionics upgraded to blk 52+ level with SLEP program
JF-17 = 112+ ( blk-1 and blk-2)
JF17B = ~10 ( 3 completed + 6 under construction + 1 in China)
This give you total of 167 fighter jets of fourth generation also keep in mind US in past has rejected to authorize the sale of 16 Jordanian Air Force F-16 to PAF

Force Multiplier Assets
10 AEWC (6 SAAB 2000 + 4 Karakorum Eagle)
4 Aerial Refueling Tankers

Upgrade of Integrated Air defence network and C4ISR all happened in these same two decade which your are referring in your post, therefore I once again ask you not to post such ignorant remarks