Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[Defence_reader]

One thing is for sure, DoD will keep the production line open. This US$62b is to insure it remains open, and keeps churning them out.

& one more thing sir every country is now not able to purchase f35 and their operations cost much higher then f16. And not all usa allys getting f35 so for others f16 is still and will be more potential fighter jet as you are with usa.

 

[Gripen9]

One thing is for sure, DoD will keep the production line open. This US$62b is to insure it remains open, and keeps churning them out.

Yes, this is "corporate socialism" at work to keep LM factories employing Americans.
I have heard Boeing will also be producing F-15EX for USAF. With F-22 and F-35 available, one would think no need for F-15s but we need to keep Boeing factories open espicially in light of 737max debacle and the suspension due to COVID19

 

[Khafee]

Please understand, this is US government buying from LM for their allies. As far as LM is concerned, all 250 are for are for USAF.

This is an exact replica of the Black Hawk multi year contract:


Sikorsky gets multi-year contract for Black Hawk production
By Craig Hoyle
4 July 2017

Sikorsky has agreed to a new multi-year contract with the US Department of Defense, which will lead to it delivering up to 360 UH-60 Black Hawk utility helicopters to the US Army and overseas customers by 2022.

The contract value for the five-year deal is expected to be around $3.8 billion for 257 of the rotorcraft, with options on another 103 examples to increase this to around $5.2 billion.

 

[Gripen9]

& one more thing sir every country is now not able to purchase f35 and their operations cost much higher then f16. And not all usa allys getting f35 so for others f16 is still and will be more potential fighter jet as you are with usa.

Read my comment above.
Of the existing F-16 operators, All Nato (except Poland) along with Israel,S.Korea, Singapore, Japan cleared for F-35.
That leaves Morocco, Poland, Jordan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt as existing operators and Bulgaria/Croatia as potential new Nato allies with small needs. No new country will go for F-16s at this stage of the design's life.
Only F-21 was proposed to India as a new version with highly upgraded electronics (close to F-35)

 

[Khafee]

Most interesting thing is sir "then" specifically when it came from ur side, will be waiting

You know what surprises me, is that in the other world, people talk about knowing 3stars and 4star in the Armed Forces, but when it comes to acquisitions, total zero. A negotiation might fall flat on its face, sure, but something...?

As of now PAF is looking for 36units, negotiations are ongoing as we speak, until they finalize, nothing.

 

[Defence_reader]

Read my comment above.
Of the existing F-16 operators, All Nato (except Poland) along with Israel,S.Korea, Singapore, Japan cleared for F-35.
That leaves Morocco, Poland, Jordan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt as existing operators and Bulgaria/Croatia as potential new Nato allies with small needs. No new country will go for F-16s at this stage of the design's life.
Only F-21 was proposed to India as a new version with highly upgraded electronics (close to F-35)

& Turkey ???

 

[Khafee]

Read my comment above.
Of the existing F-16 operators, All Nato (except Poland) along with Israel,S.Korea, Singapore, Japan cleared for F-35.
That leaves Morocco, Poland, Jordan, Pakistan, Indonesia, Egypt as existing operators and Bulgaria/Croatia as potential new Nato allies with small needs. No new country will go for F-16s at this stage of the design's life.
Only F-21 was proposed to India as a new version with highly upgraded electronics (close to F-35)

UAEAF F16 Blk 60's were used for the Indian trails. Between the upgraded Blk60 and F21, the only difference is the refueling boom in the CFT. Nonetheless the upgraded Blk60 / F21 is what you said, better than the Blk 70/72.

 

[Scorpio]

If it wasn't, then we would not be hearing any of these rumors. It must have been floated as a carrot for Pakistan to bring Taliban to the table. Which we did. And the agreement b/w Taliban and the US Gov has gone ahead. Taliban have kept to their word in the past few months. Lets see how it shakes out.

Now analyze the news at hand. A 62b contract has been finalized b/w US Gov & LM. 62b order means around 240 aircraft.
Break it down by country: 25 - Morocco, 66+ Taiwan, 18 - Jordan, 40 - Poland (maybe). Bulgaria & Croatia maybe 20 each. Who else is left to buy. Indonesia ? I think they are more interested in Su35s. Egypt has gone Rafale/Mig35 route. So conservatively 40+ aircraft for an existing operator.

Again just my opinion based on news available.

Good analysis, but this distribution is your own rough calculation, we dont konw actual count of customer distribution
Secondly its not easy us to get Vipers now, Usa is quite close to india (we all reason anti china) secondly potential client for f21 (just rebranding of f16 70) ,
As you said they use it as carrot for us, may in end this carrot result in few million support stuff
Thirdly CSF statud total uncertain infact almost drained out to be back.

 

[Gripen9]

& Turkey ???

Turkey can build its own F-16s. They are still part of the F-35 program (albeit suspended). If they let go of S-400s, their production will resume.
They are concentrating on TFX.

 

[Defence_reader]

B

Turkey can build its own F-16s. They are still part of the F-35 program (albeit suspended). If they let go of S-400s, their production will resume.
They are concentrating on TFX.

But i read somewhere that couple of batteries of s400 delivered to Turkey may be it was speculation but was discussed on other fouram by senior members.

 

[Gripen9]

UAEAF F16 Blk 60's were used for the Indian trails. Between the upgraded Blk60 and F21, the only difference is the refueling boom in the CFT. Nonetheless the upgraded Blk60 / F21 is what you said, better than the Blk 70/72.

You maybe right. I was just basing my comments of F-21 using APG-83 AESA and networked situational awareness sensors incorporated from F-22/35.

Quote from LM website that was removed.
"The F-21 has common components and learning from Lockheed Martin’s fifth-generation F-22 and F-35 and will share a common supply chain on a variety of components," Lockheed stated on its website on the morning of Feb. 20, 2019.

Is the F-21 Just a Newer F-16, Or Is Something More Waiting in the Wings?

 

[Gripen9]

Good analysis, but this distribution is your own rough calculation, we dont konw actual count of customer distribution
Secondly its not easy us to get Vipers now, Usa is quite close to india (we all reason anti china) secondly potential client for f21 (just rebranding of f16 70) ,
As you said they use it as carrot for us, may in end this carrot result in few million support stuff
Thirdly CSF statud total uncertain infact almost drained out to be back.

Like I had said, my educated guess, based on past trends.

 

[Scorpio]

Like I had said, my educated guess, based on past trends.

First of all as per LM any country with f16 can be f35 customer. ... look of prices decrease to attract all those client. Same cab be f16 case ...

For reference

Lockheed executives have said that any country with an F-16 jet, the predecessor to the F-35, is a potential customer.

The F-35A, the most common version of the aircraft, will each cost $82.4 million in 2020, $79.17 million in 2021 and $77.9 million in 2022, the Pentagon told reporters

Pentagon announces F-35 jet prices for next three years

The Pentagon on Tuesday announced pricing details for its agreement with Lockheed Martin Co that lowers by 12.7% the cost of the F-35 jets it plans to purchase through 2022, which may encourage other nations to buy warplanes.

www.reuters.com

 

[Mingle]

My understanding is that the planes are available to Pakistan (there will be no opposition from the US Congress). Sticking point is funding. Pakistan wants it to be funded via frozen CSF funds, which by our calculations are 10-12b.

If it settles out around 8-9 billions then PAF PAA should go full force for F16 ans more Zulus. This shows one more thing US will sell any equipment to Pak and Congress approval will be Token US companies wants business orders means jobs simple. PIA should also throw herself in Ring for Boeing a good package around 15 - 20 billions for PIA and PAF would be great and for US too.

 

[Mingle]

When i see f16 related threads active rush and check out in hope may be new f16 for PAF announced....

We all at home U forgot this??