WDF EXCLUSIVE - PAF's latest Platform The JH-7!!!

[AliYusuf]

True but still is a possibility considering how india failed miserably.

Yes but I think Pakistan will only be willing to milk them for weapons but nothing long term is coming out of it. US influence & hold over Pakistan is water under the bridge.

 

[Gripen9]

I agree but Feb 27 provided that opportunity to test Chinese missiles capability but at the end of the day it was yet again American stuff which had the first and the last laugh. Anyways would love to see PL15s shooting down Indian jets in near by future. In longer run, our future is linked with Chinese procurement than American.

what cards ? is SD10 some alientic BVR missile ? everybody knows we have them. There is nothing special in that missile, its just normal missile like others. Atleast one kill by Jeff would had raised its profile enormously. Infact our confidence on Chinese arms would had gone further up.

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Was that by design or PAF react based on the fluid and evolving situation? PAF had wargamed the whole scenario. JF17 armed with SD10 were part of the fighter sweep along with F16s. They did not hide behind the F-16s. On the contrary if, they actively took on the M2Ks/MKi on the other side of the LOC breaking their locks and locking on them. Our ROE was such that we only shot down IAF aircraft that were eminently a threat the to strike package - Su30MKi or had crossed the other side of the LOC - Abhinandan's Mig21.
This was an active skirmish not some exercise to test a certain missile. PAF was more than happy with JF17's performance both as part of fighter sweep and as part of the strike package deploying REKs.

 

[Salza]

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Was that by design or PAF react based on the fluid and evolving situation? PAF had wargamed the whole scenario. JF17 armed with SD10 were part of the fighter sweep along with F16s. They did not hide behind the F-16s. On the contrary if, they actively took on the M2Ks/MKi on the other side of the LOC breaking their locks and locking on them. Our ROE was such that we only shot down IAF aircraft that were eminently a threat the to strike package - Su30MKi or had crossed the other side of the LOC - Abhinandan's Mig21.
This was an active skirmish not some exercise to test a certain missile. PAF was more than happy with JF17's performance both as part of fighter sweep and as part of the strike package deploying REKs.

There has been said that JF17s had locked multiple IAF jets as well so atleast one should had been given a go ahead for the kill since instead of taking on PAF jets, IAF was running away for their lives. Breaking their locks and locking them was done by F16s as well. Lets not forget that.

 

[Khafee]

There has been said that JF17s had locked multiple IAF jets as well so atleast one should had been given a go ahead for the kill since instead of taking on PAF jets, IAF was running away for their lives. Breaking their locks and locking them was done by F16s as well. Lets not forget that.

JFT Blk1 or 2?

 

[Salza]

JFT Blk1 or 2?

Block 2 probably.

 

[Gripen9]

Bro,
Rafale answer will be F16Vs only (i sincerely hope we are getting some as khafee said).
Jf17 and J10s are almost identical. Both can be main work horse. We can save some funds by not buying either platform.
J15s is for sea where you have time and big area to play with. I doubt its air superiority role at Kashmir and at eastern northern Indian border because of its huge RCS. Pakistan will always pitch F16s and JF17s at northern and eastern side.
Deep strikes can be performed at Southern side for which J15s alone can perform that job. I don't think at eastern side J15 can penetrate much inside India where plethora of Su30s/Rafales will be waiting for them. Not to forget S-400s. For eastern side, deep strike can be carried out by Babar cruise missiles and Shaheen Ballistic missiles like what Iran did on American base in Iraq. Much safer and reliable option.

If we are not adding them much than why to add them at first place at all. Save those funds for F16Vs and existing fleet upgrades. Unless procurement of further F16s are hang in balance, I don't think we need J10s since everything you mentioned in above post, F16 has in them.

JF17 & J10 are not identical. They belong in different class of fighters. JF17 is a light weight fighter while J-10 is a medium weight fighter.
Blk3 & J-10p will have a lot of tech commonality in AESA radar, EW (ASPJ) Suite, Wide angle HUD, HMDS, TWR, MAWS which in turn is based on a lot of tech osmosis from J20. However J-10 gives you a clear advantage in payload & combat radius.
You can see a strike package or even fighter sweep with 2 x J-10 & 4 x JF-17 taking on in coming IAF M2k strike with Su30 cover.
We will have at most 40 J-10 (which we will either get for free or at very favorable soft loans from China). Our JF17 force will end up being in the 350-400 range and make the backbone of PAF. J-10 procurement will not impact JF17 program.

Yes PAF wants F16Blk70/V. But you also have to plan for contingencies. What if we don't get them or not in the quantities we want?

 

[TomCat]

Block 2 probably.

Special Block 2*

 

[TomCat]

JF17 & J10 are not identical. They belong in different class of fighters. JF17 is a light weight fighter while J-10 is a medium weight fighter.
Blk3 & J-10p will have a lot of tech commonality in AESA radar, EW (ASPJ) Suite, Wide angle HUD, HMDS, TWR, MAWS which in turn is based on a lot of tech osmosis from J20. However J-10 gives you a clear advantage in payload & combat radius.
You can see a strike package or even fighter sweep with 2 x J-10 & 4 x JF-17 taking on in coming IAF M2k strike with Su30 cover.
We will have at most 40 J-10 (which we will either get for free or at very favorable soft loans from China). Our JF17 force will end up being in the 350-400 range and make the backbone of PAF. J-10 procurement will not impact JF17 program.

Yes PAF wants F16Blk70/V. But you also have to plan for contingencies. What if we don't get them or not in the quantities we want?

Not to forget, J-10 is the testbed of J-20 and not JF-17 .

This pretty much sums up the potential of J-10, Only Stealth less from becoming a Fifth Gen fighter (China never revealed their current status on Advanced sensor fusion even of J-20 so that counts as well)

 

[MominKhan]

Perhaps the biggest advantage of J-10P is that it is going to have the ability to carry PL-21, which JF-17 may not be able to carry. J-10P will maintain look first, shoot first capability for the foreseeable future. This may not be possible with F-16 or JF-17.

This should force the US to provide similar capability for F-16s or they lose influence in Pakistan.

 

[TomCat]

Perhaps the biggest advantage of J-10P is that it is going to have the ability to carry PL-21, which JF-17 may not be able to carry. J-10P will maintain look first, shoot first capability for the foreseeable future. This may not be possible with F-16 or JF-17.

Yes,
And possibly a far better AESA radar than the one we will use on Block 3

 

[Salza]

JF17 & J10 are not identical. They belong in different class of fighters. JF17 is a light weight fighter while J-10 is a medium weight fighter.
Blk3 & J-10p will have a lot of tech commonality in AESA radar, EW (ASPJ) Suite, Wide angle HUD, HMDS, TWR, MAWS which in turn is based on a lot of tech osmosis from J20. However J-10 gives you a clear advantage in payload & combat radius.
You can see a strike package or even fighter sweep with 2 x J-10 & 4 x JF-17 taking on in coming IAF M2k strike with Su30 cover.
We will have at most 40 J-10 (which we will either get for free or at very favorable soft loans from China). Our JF17 force will end up being in the 350-400 range and make the backbone of PAF. J-10 procurement will not impact JF17 program.

Yes PAF wants F16Blk70/V. But you also have to plan for contingencies. What if we don't get them or not in the quantities we want?

If we ain't getting F16s anymore, than its end of my argument. As i said earlier, my point is relying on the claims that F16Vs are coming. Anyways with so many choices at play, I hope our planners, plans the best out of every platform.

 

[Salza]

Not to forget, J-10 is the testbed of J-20 and not JF-17 .

This pretty much sums up the potential of J-10, Only Stealth less from becoming a Fifth Gen fighter (China never revealed their current status on Advanced sensor fusion even of J-20 so that counts as well)

We should had added J10s much before than.

 

[Mingle]

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Was that by design or PAF react based on the fluid and evolving situation? PAF had wargamed the whole scenario. JF17 armed with SD10 were part of the fighter sweep along with F16s. They did not hide behind the F-16s. On the contrary if, they actively took on the M2Ks/MKi on the other side of the LOC breaking their locks and locking on them. Our ROE was such that we only shot down IAF aircraft that were eminently a threat the to strike package - Su30MKi or had crossed the other side of the LOC - Abhinandan's Mig21.
This was an active skirmish not some exercise to test a certain missile. PAF was more than happy with JF17's performance both as part of fighter sweep and as part of the strike package deploying REKs.

Cheif said JF17 performed very well againt Mica what does that mean??

 

[TomCat]

We should had added J10s much before than.

Try explaining that to the Planners and The respective officials.

Sometimes things aren’t as complex as they seem to be, solution is right in front of you

 

[Gripen9]

Not to forget, J-10 is the testbed of J-20 and not JF-17 .

This pretty much sums up the potential of J-10, Only Stealth less from becoming a Fifth Gen fighter (China never revealed their current status on Advanced sensor fusion even of J-20 so that counts as well)

J-10's evolution has also had a big PAF hand. The radical re-design of DSI intake and EW systems input came from PAF. Who may have gotten that from evaluating Qatari Rafales (Spectra) and Saudi Typhoons along with experience gained via Anatolian Eagle and Red Flag exercises.