WDF EXCLUSIVE - PAF's latest Platform The JH-7!!!

[Quaid12]

Sir,

Two issues

1) Now we cannot take rafale out of equation.



2) What happened on Feb 27th, is not bound to be repeated again, IAF will have definitely studied their deficiencies and would hit back in a much stronger and synchronized manner next time.

So even with F-16s and Jf-17s we would need other platforms as well, to counter Rafale equipped IAF which most probably won't repeat last year's mistakes.

PS what is the availability %age of F-16s and JF17s?

Sir according to your logic, Pakistan would have to buy newer platforms after each operations which is quite impossible. Plus if we are to repeat 27th Feb, all we need is to have a newer approach, new tactics not new platforms

 

[Salza]

In swift retort, something in PAF was using AESA already.

Eireye. They have aesa.

 

[Armchair]

Color would possibly be like this one (?):

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BbFxU4hayFQ/hqdefault.jpg

 

[War Historian]

Off the topic,
Today Pak Navy has conducted successfull test of Zarb weapon system (ZWS) Near Ormara Naval base and targeted a ship in Arabian sea.

 

[Salza]

So the Chinese forces who are standing eye ball to eye ball with the US Navy over the South China Seas ... are able to do so just out of the benevolence of the Americans?

They don't have that choice. Americans and Europeans do not sell their top notch militarily stuff to them so naturally they have to rely on their own stuff which itself are copies of Russian tech. Good that they have now have sound missile technology and doesn't need western stuff. Remember some 10-12 years back how much Americans were reluctant to sell their harpoons to Pakistan because they feared China will get access to the technology. After earlier version, US never gave us upgraded harpoons.

 

[Salza]

But sir we must prepared for their full fleet. And just suppose if Israel air force reach to help them in air attack on Pak soils. What we will do then..

We are. If all this to be believed, than we are working on contingency plans.

 

[Salza]

Off the topic,
Today Pak Navy has conducted successfull test of Zarb weapon system (ZWS) Near Ormara Naval base and targeted a ship in Arabian sea.View attachment 15715

Might have conducted before eid but announced just now. There was notam issued for this test which was expiring on July 31 if I am not mistaken.

 

[PurpleButcher]

Sir according to your logic, Pakistan would have to buy newer platforms after each operations which is quite impossible. Plus if we are to repeat 27th Feb, all we need is to a newer approach, new tactics not new platforms

Sir,

I am trying to say we shouldn't become over confident on the basis of Feb 19. IAF has decent planes SU30 MKIs and Mirages. Yes they made mistakes last year but the probability of them committing same mistakes again is very less.

Also our tactics would change and so will IAF's. One must not forget what happened last year was a skirmish not a sustained aerial war(few days to few weeks). As such keeping in mind the fact next time when we face IAF it will have new tactics, new platforms and hungrier for revenge, we need to be prepared accordingly. "To me" proper preparation includes new platforms.

Yes we may not need new platforms after every skirmish, but keeping in mind that currently f7s & mirages need retirement, and an answer to rafale is needed, there is high probability of induction of new platforms.

Regards

 

[Materialistic]

Projects like CPEC which have economic, geographical & strategic importance are not signed/made at Govt level but they are owned at State level. These can be started by one govt and may complete in another govt's tenure but state is their guarantor and is responsible for their execution & completion.

Well I would partially agree, "state" is also onboard with government and acts as a guarantor for continuation of projects regardless of who is in power. Previously lead was government and it can be clearly seen state taking the driving seat since last year. Without going much deeper this was my point, whatever is happening is a continuation of the past and can't be attributed to the incumbent today.

 

[Armchair]

US assessment suggests Chinese JH-7s have a 1600 km combat radius.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/ASPJ/journals/Volume-34_Issue-1/F-McCabe.pdf

 

[War Historian]

In next phase PAF must go for new air bases.it could be in DG khan, Khuzdar, Turbat, Zaub. Less populated areas which are also away from indian borders. A new MRO facility in south western part of the country to offload burden from Kamra facility.this will be similar like the Chinese did in past, shifting the technical personals from Shen Yang to Chengdu. The results are in front of us,Chendu beats in R&D the mother institute Shen Yang. So raising new institute always bring healthy competition.

 

[Graphican]

So the Chinese forces who are standing eye ball to eye ball with the US Navy over the South China Seas ... are able to do so just out of the benevolence of the Americans?

This is not about Chinese armament being superior or inferior to America's. We know for fact what happened on 29th Feb and Pakistan used US air assets and armament against the enemy. Although JF-17s are BVR capable and were present in the theater, they didn't take part. This is how reality stands for us.

Now try to explain why did it happen the way it happen. What alternate explanation can you offer?

• My take is that it is not about performance or potency of JF-17s or SD-10s, but PAF's history using F-16s and AMRAAM
• Another explanation can be F-16s were in a better position to counter the threat and they did
• And a third explanation can be PAF didn't reveal the strength of JF-17s or SD-10 on purpose as the performance of F-16s and AMRAAMs will be known to India already. They saved their biggest surprise "for later".

 

[Graphican]

Off the topic,
Today Pak Navy has conducted successfull test of Zarb weapon system (ZWS) Near Ormara Naval base and targeted a ship in Arabian sea.View attachment 15715

What I have learned from Khafee (indirectly) is that later versions of these missiles are frequently produced and tested - while the old photographs are shared for public consumption. Today's version may be improved and extended range Zarb-II or Zarb-III but we still see the old photos.

I wish its range is at least 1,000 KM and Pakistan is able to annihilate Indian navel assets sitting on the port of Mumbai. Sink them in their own waters while they were anchored.

 

[AliYusuf]

This is not about Chinese armament being superior or inferior to America's. We know for fact what happened on 29th Feb and Pakistan used US air assets and armament against the enemy. Although JF-17s are BVR capable and were present in the theater, they didn't take part. This is how reality stands for us.

Now try to explain why did it happen the way it happen. What alternate explanation can you offer?

• My take is that it is not about performance or potency of JF-17s or SD-10s, but PAF's history using F-16s and AMRAAM
• Another explanation can be F-16s were in a better position to counter the threat and they did
• And a third explanation can be PAF didn't reveal the strength of JF-17s or SD-10 on purpose as the performance of F-16s and AMRAAMs will be known to India already. They saved their biggest surprise "for later".

I responded to what you posted as a quote.

I had asked this question and here is what I learned:

"In a situation where you know you have one shot, you would use your best of the best. It is not about a VS b, but which of the two you have reliably used before."

But people are looking at this whole thing from a weapons and platforms point of view.
Whereas it has to do with the teams involved as crew.
The mission was entrusted to AVM Paracha who is an F-16 expert and his most trusted men are F-16 men.
Hence F-16 men were tasked to take up the shots at the enemy first.
No biggie.
All captains have their favorite go to bowlers and batsmen ... same is the case with battle commanders.
Squadrons 9 & 11 are the best in air to air engagements in general ... so no surprises that pilots originally from these squadrons were called upon to be at the right place at the time to take out the enemy.

People with phobias about Chinese equipment will have a long time to acknowledge their efficacy.
Some sources on the net state PL-15 to have an AESA seeker ... the enemy's passive sensors won't even pick it's approach, if that is the case.

Similarly my father's generation never rated Japanese cars.
Used to call them flashy tin cans.

Prejudice and preconception takes time to pass.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[baqai]

any news on the inauguration folks? thora dil halka hu raha hai :/