Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[Sayad]

Off course you get initial training on the aircraft in the parent country, but battlefield doctrine, knowing the inside and outside of the platform takes time and training.

That's true that much training would only enable them to fly and land it, to master it they might require few years even

 

[Armchair]

It is not just flying and landing the aircraft, they are using French air force aircraft and simulators to get a head start on developing their tactics and doctrine. In olden times it was more like teach them the basics of flying it and that's it. This is something more than that.

 

[TsAr]

It is not just flying and landing the aircraft, they are using French air force aircraft and simulators to get a head start on developing their tactics and doctrine. In olden times it was more like teach them the basics of flying it and that's it. This is something more than that.

Mastering the plane and integrating it with the current setup are 2 different things. IAF is not going to use Rafale alone.

 

[Armchair]

Mastering the plane and integrating it with the current setup are 2 different things. IAF is not going to use Rafale alone.

If you read my first post in this conversation, I mentioned they are getting a head start on inducting them. I believe my point stands.

 

[Armchair]

To summarize:
1. J-15s are being inducted and will give the PN a major boost in terms of protecting SLOCs effectively, giving a far superior air defense umbrella for PN ships to operate under.
2. J-15s will also be a threat to IAF and IN Southern coast including Mumbai. Just the threat of this will cause IAF to pull assets away from Pak borders, using them defensively rather than offensively against Pakistan.
3. J-15s are naval platforms, meaning they will have superior lifespan operating over sea.
4. J-15s will come with a host of weapons such as PL-15, hypersonic ASMs, and may even integrate Pak munitions.
5. EW variant of J-15 will also be a major capability upgrade, giving a Growler like capability that will degrade IAF offensive and defensive capabilities.
6. I am initially estimating (and I can be wrong, this is my speculation) that there will be at least 1 squadron in the South for naval duties, and at least a flight each in Northern Command and Central command. (A flight is 4 aircraft).
7. J-15s in North and Central will likely be more EW focused. They can also be utilized for their powerful AESA radars which will burn through Indian EW and make countering Rafales easier.
8. JF-17, Rafales, J-31, J-15 all have sensor fusion, sophisticated EW and AESA radars. The difference is in the size and capability of those.
9. J-15s would possibly have the biggest, most powerful AESA radar in any combat aircraft in South Asia (or possibly in the world). And considerable capacity for EW that a larger platform allows.
10. In terms of induction, I believe the Rafale and J-15 will both see rapid induction, faster than usual for a new platform. Here the JF-17 Block 3 has the biggest advantage as they are not a new platform in the same sense, and will see the most rapid deployment.
11. I believe (and I can be wrong), PAC Kamra has the capacity for 25 aircraft per year and work on Block 3 started in November, 2019. This means that by November 2020, PAF should have 25 aircraft being inducted. COVID may slow them down, but this will be compensated because of the increased urgency.

 

[Hawkeye]

J-15s would possibly have the biggest, most powerful AESA radar in any combat aircraft in South Asia (or possibly in the world).

Even bigger and better than J20? Can you telll the name and some specifications of this radar

 

[Armchair]

Even bigger and better than J20? Can you telll the name and some specifications of this radar

I did say in South Asia (and possibly in the world). South Asia for sure, more debatable about the other. I do concede that the J-20 would possibly have a more powerful radar, as the nose seems larger than the FLANKER series nose. The advantage on the one on the FLANKER may be it may just be more mature but then again, not sure about that.

PS: Let me delete the (and possibly in the world) part, so the points I have made aren't derailed

 

[Khafee]

If you read my first post in this conversation, I mentioned they are getting a head start on inducting them. I believe my point stands.

As stated earlier, PAF pilots & ground crews, have been training with PLAAF for decades, they have actually refined SOP's and tactics for them. For PAF ANY a/c in the PLAAF fleet is as good as their own.

Note: Their exposure on J20 & J31 is limited for obvious reasons.

 

[Safri167]

As stated earlier, PAF pilots & ground crews, have been training with PLAAF for decades, they have actually refined SOP's and tactics for them. For PAF ANY a/c in the PLAAF fleet is as good as their own.

Note: Their exposure on J20 & J31 is limited for obvious reasons.

That means our pilots are also trained for carrier ops?

 

[Khafee]

That means our pilots are also trained for carrier ops?

No Comment

 

[Armchair]

As stated earlier, PAF pilots & ground crews, have been training with PLAAF for decades, they have actually refined SOP's and tactics for them. For PAF ANY a/c in the PLAAF fleet is as good as their own.

Note: Their exposure on J20 & J31 is limited for obvious reasons.

Excellent. Meaning IOC and FOC will be quick and simple. I wonder if Rafales with IAF have a similar leg up. I think the Indian pilots have been in France for a while now and would be interesting to see which AF has them operational faster.

 

[Khafee]

@Sayad @Pakhtoon yum @Armchair AND OTHERS, from now on, I will not bother transferring off topic posts, or issuing warnings, I will just delete the OFF TOPIC posts, and put a THREAD BAN.

 

[Armchair]

@Sayad @Pakhtoon yum @Armchair AND OTHERS, from now on, I will not bother transferring off topic posts, or issuing warnings, I will just delete the OFF TOPIC posts, and put a THREAD BAN.

My apologies, I had replied in pashtu to the conversation not realizing which thread it was going on in.

 

[Khafee]

My apologies, I had replied in pashtu to the conversation not realizing which thread it was going on in.

All respect to the forum's rules.... Apologies

No issues, but in future, pls be careful.

 

[Sayad]

@Sayad @Pakhtoon yum @Armchair AND OTHERS, from now on, I will not bother transferring off topic posts, or issuing warnings, I will just delete the OFF TOPIC posts, and put a THREAD BAN.

All respect to the forum's rules.... Apologies