Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

[HRK]

@HRK Do note as well

nahi yaar just note the depth of Murray ridge is +1400 meters or ~4600 feet [which mean depth from water surface of the sea to the summit of of those ridges] plus those ridge are cone shape and offer no plain top and their summit is VERY THIN .... therefore it is physically not possible

 

[Khafee]

nahi yaar just note the depth of Murray ridge which is +1400 meters or ~4600 feet [which mean depth from water surface of the sea to the summit of of those ridges] plus those ridge are cone shape and offer no plain top and their summit is VERY THIN .... therefore it is physically not possible

1,000ft to 1,500ft depth is doable but at an exorbitant cost, and only up to the Indus Canyon, and not beyond it.

 

[ali razza]

Hmm...well then this pseudo blockade would be useless...
...according to those Kuwaiti examples u have provided. India could still get oil unhindered by having ships fly a different flag...they have enough clout to convince some country like UK, France, etc. to do that. Which means Pak will be unwilling to mess with a ship with said flag(bcuz that can be considered an act of war)...

Dammit and here I thought this strategy(if achievable) could be of significant importance. China already has a base in Djibouti...and Pak/China will be operating out of Gawadar...
...all that was needed is to convince Oman to let Pak or China or both to have a base on Socotra...
...and it would encircle the whole middle eastern waters where a majority of oil trade passes...allowing them to hold back oil supplies to a country with which war is going on.

oman has masira island socotra is with uae now

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

nope not whole of it, but on the basis of UNCLOS we claimed and successfully get 150 NM extension of our EEZ

Portugal is getting alot of water too, I wonder if their claim can be studied to get ours.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Bhai is always thinking of land grabs be it annexing Afghanistan or Irani Baluchistan ?
Now land beneath the sea !!

All mine!

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

Full disclosure, I had suggested annexing Irani Baluchistan, but still ?

you and me

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

That has always been the 3rd rail in Pakistan.
It was a known trick by land grabbers to pay someone to put a loudspeaker on a bamboo and make a boundary with some bricks. Lo and behold a mosque. Now which red blooded musalman will go demolish a masjid!!!


*** 3rd rail in the US is the one that has electrical current for subway train and is live. You touch it and you are gone. So it is a euphemism for a sure suicide option

Any sane muslim would but they would have to be educated for then to know their rights under the religion.

 

[Gripen9]

Any sane muslim would but they would have to be educated for then to know their rights under the religion.

Was more a rhetorical statement.

 

[Gripen9]

Any sane muslim would but they would have to be educated for then to know their rights under the religion.

In Pakistan any one can accuse anyone (esp. Non Muslims of being disrespectful to the Prophet SAW) and they are attacked by a mob or imprisoned. 9/10 people are let go with anything.

But the accusers are never charged with false accusations...

 

[Armchair]

Dear after carefuuly studying the area you identified, what you have stated is possible, but the issue is not only financial. IT would also be a sitting duck for ballistic missiles.

The enemy would think twice using it on an the main land, because it could be misinterpreted as a nuclear attack, but using it on an island in the mddle of the sea, would be much easier.


@HRK Do note as well

Thanks @Khafee for looking into it and the interesting reply. I was imagining, even if not basing fixed aircraft, one could perhaps build a hardened base with CIWS, some SAMs, some cruise missiles, BMs, perhaps a helicopter. But I guess you are right, doesn't make that much of a sense in terms of a cost benefit analysis.

 

[Armchair]

1,000ft to 1,500ft depth is doable but at an exorbitant cost, and only up to the Indus Canyon, and not beyond it.

highest tops west of Murray ridge (not Murray ridge itself) are probably about 1000 ft or slightly better (900 ft) below surface. One could put concrete pillars, drill them in and that may be the cheap way to go about it (cheap being relative to trying to fill the underwater mountain tops in).

I agree, on second thought other than the hypothetical, this won't make practical sense from a cost benefit viewpoint.

Another possibility is to see if Oman would lease for a hundred years an island to Pakistan.

 

[ali razza]

highest tops west of Murray ridge (not Murray ridge itself) are probably about 1000 ft or slightly better (900 ft) below surface. One could put concrete pillars, drill them in and that may be the cheap way to go about it (cheap being relative to trying to fill the underwater mountain tops in).

I agree, on second thought other than the hypothetical, this won't make practical sense from a cost benefit viewpoint.

Another possibility is to see if Oman would lease for a hundred years an island to Pakistan.

oman has only one island in the area and it’s already inhabited plus american presence

 

[Zulu]

Shukur hai Bhai @Pakhtoon yum ki nazar Oman par nahi parii.Only GCC country we always watch with caution and have long story in Baluchistan unrest

Bhai is always thinking of land grabs be it annexing Afghanistan or Irani Baluchistan ?
Now land beneath the sea !!

 

[HRK]

oman has only one island in the area and it’s already inhabited plus american presence

Actually Oman have some very interesting locations from our perspective where a combine base of Naval and Air force could do wonder for security of our SLOC one such location is Al-Ashkharah city [click here] any base in south of this city within the radius of 30-50 KM would be near to ideal as per our Naval Security point of view important thing is this city is just +300 KM from Duqm City port [click here] where India have right of Docking for her Naval Ships.

The Important thing which is required to be understand here is that Duqm is +750 KM from Gawadar which mean Indian Navy could possibly dock in International waters in South or East of Duqm city few hundred kilometers away but could get logistic support from Duqm port and could possibly not only harase Naval Traffic coming or going towards Gwadar or Karachi port but possibly attack these cities with Extended Range Brahmos missile

On the other hand IF [big IF as Oman has very good relation with India] we somehow manage to establish a combine Naval and Air Force base in close vicinity of the Al-Ashkharah city of Oman then we could force Indian Navy Flotilla to station further south and out of their striking range on Gawadar and Karachi from Sea

Other then this with a combine base in or near to Horn of Africa region we could not only strengthen security of our SLOC but we would gain the capabilities to disturb, disrupt or at least harase the Indian SLOC ad would force India to put her Naval assets at least 2,500 km away from her nearest port to secure Indian SLOC and give up the dream of Naval blockade of Pakistan.

 

[Zulu]

Now many will understand why Pakistani establishment always wary of Oman.Getting help from both of your "friendly,brother"" countries Iran and Oman ,india encircled you (that's another story what Pakistan plan to counter it )

Actually Oman have some very interesting locations from our perspective where a combine base of Naval and Air force could do wonder for security of our SLOC one such location is Al-Ashkharah city [click here] any base in south of this city within the radius of 30-50 KM would be near to ideal as per our Naval Security point of view important thing is this city is just +300 KM from Duqm City port [click here] where India have right of Docking for her Naval Ships.

The Important thing which is required to be understand here is that Duqm is +750 KM from Gawadar which mean Indian Navy could possibly dock in International waters in South or East of Duqm city few hundred kilometers away but could get logistic support from Duqm port and could possibly not only harase Naval Traffic coming or going towards Gwadar or Karachi port but possibly attack these cities with Extended Range Brahmos missile

On the other hand IF [big IF as Oman has very good relation with India] we somehow manage to establish a combine Naval and Air Force base in close vicinity of the Al-Ashkharah city of Oman then we could force Indian Navy Flotilla to station further south and out of their striking range on Gawadar and Karachi from Sea

Other then this with a combine base in or near to Horn of Africa region we could not only strengthen security of our SLOC but we would gain the capabilities to disturb, disrupt or at least harase the Indian SLOC ad would force India to put her Naval assets at least 2,500 km away from her nearest port to secure Indian SLOC and give up the dream of Naval blockade of Pakistan.