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other folks are having problems to. They probably did the same thing as in some states here, posted about it earlier in thread, sending recovering Covid patients back to nursing homes

Canada’s Covid Hot Zone Is Deadlier Than Chicago or L.A.
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(Bloomberg) -- The city’s death rate has been staggering: higher than those of almost every U.S. state, higher than in greater Chicago, Los Angeles or Toronto.
The place is Montreal, the business and cultural center of Quebec, where the coronavirus pandemic has struck the elderly with unusual savagery. The struggle to contain the outbreak has forced the provincial government to resort to desperate measures.

Montreal’s virus toll -- the city accounts for more than half of Canada’s deaths from Covid-19 -- is a story of lack of preparation, early mistakes and a bit of bad luck. It has also exposed gaps in how Canada cares for its older citizens, despite a government-funded health care system that is sometimes praised by U.S. progressives as a model.

The city’s elder-care homes are so short of workers that Premier Francois Legault brought in Canadian troops and pleaded for volunteers to assist. That has left it up to people like Nicolas St-Onge to help quell an outbreak that has killed more than 3,900 people in greater Montreal, with dozens more still dying every day.

St-Onge, 25, usually works as a pharmacist. Lately he’s been spending his days feeding, washing and grooming residents of facilities in the suburbs. He isn’t trained for it. His first day involved changing a patient wearing seven layers of diapers.

“It’s a 100% exit out of my comfort zone,” he said in an interview. “But it’s the most gratifying thing I’ve done in my life -- we can see our impact on the ground immediately.”

Thursday was typical. The province announced 74 new Covid-19 deaths in the previous day; 70 lived in homes for seniors. Since the pandemic started, four in five fatalities have been residents of retirement and long-term care homes.

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Some 90% of Quebec’s virus deaths have occurred in the Montreal region, where almost half of the province’s population lives. Montreal has recorded 776 deaths per million people, nearly three times the rate of Toronto and 50% higher than the greater Chicago area, according to the Montreal Metropolitan Community.

One factor in Quebec’s plight was an ill-timed school break in the first week of March, when international borders were still open. By the middle of March, when many Canadian provinces and U.S. states began lockdown measures, infected travelers returning from the U.S., France or the Caribbean had already been back in Quebec for days.

That may have been enough to boost the so-called “force of infection” and increase the chances of getting sick, according to Colin Furness, an infection control epidemiologist and assistant professor at the University of Toronto.

“It doesn’t take that much more, because it’s an exponential spread,” Furness said. “One week and a few dozen cases can make a huge difference.”

Asymptomatic virus carriers probably introduced it in long-term care facilities. Among them were staff members, who spread the infection long after family visits were banned. Other virus hot spots have had similar problems with long-term care facilities. In this U.S., more than one-third of Covid-19 deaths have been linked to them, a New York Times analysis found.

In Quebec, care staff were allowed to continue to work at multiple locations. That was a critical error. The practice was banned early on in the pandemic by the province of British Columbia, which is one reason it boasts one of the lowest Covid-19 death rates of any jurisdiction in North America with more than 5 million people.

On the island of Montreal, which excludes some suburbs, one in five infected people are health workers. The government ramped up testing in the hardest hit neighborhoods, which are densely populated and among the city’s poorest.

Blind Spot
Legault said Wednesday his government aims to recruit and train 10,000 workers for long-term care homes by mid-September. But he and other Canadian politicians have been forced to concede the elder-care system is broken.

Care homes, low on personal protective equipment supplies and already short-staffed before the crisis, proved to be the provincial government’s blind spot, said Maude Laberge, an assistant professor at Quebec City-based Laval University. Early efforts focused on getting hospitals ready for a surge in cases, at times sending patients back to nursing homes to free up beds. That was a mistake.

“Long-term care facilities weren’t prepared at all,” said Laberge, a health services expert in the department of operations and decisions systems. “What’s getting exposed today are all the problems that existed and got bigger with Covid-19.”

Local media reports of dehydrated patients left in their excrement, deserted by sick or scared staff, sent shock waves throughout the province and beyond. A shaken Legault made a public apology for failing to solve staffing issues known for years.

A key hurdle he’s now trying to address is the unattractive pay of orderlies, who receive as little as C$13 an hour ($9.40) for difficult work in some private facilities.

A similar tragedy unfolded in neighboring Ontario, the largest province. A report by the Canadian military, which Premier Doug Ford described Tuesday as “gut-wrenching,” found evidence of underfed or neglected patients at five long-term care homes.

The worker shortage is a particular problem in Quebec: 19% of those 75 or older in the province live in a nursing home or seniors’ residence, Statistics Canada data show. That compares to 12% in Ontario.

From where he sits, St-Onge, the pharmacist, doesn’t see the end of the crisis yet. After two weeks at a long-term care facility, he was reassigned to a retirement home with six virus cases.

There, residents shared bathrooms and sick patients weren’t isolated, said St-Onge, who spent part of the Sunday setting up disinfection and safety protocols but expects to see more cases. Watching people gather in parks during a sunny weekend was a sharp reminder of parallel realities as the economy reopens.

“I see the clash between the two,” he said. “I’m concerned that our priority is to open stores before saving our seniors.”

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In my opinion, yes, some nations like Italy , Spain and UK had a bad response to the virus like we did in the US.


I know that, I do not blame Trump for the situation. However he is adding fuel to the fire and it is even worse being that he is the president. He should have have condolences and said nothing more if he doesn't want to take a side in the whole thing.
the looters and rioters are not on social media, they probably don't even know what twiter is
 

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Trump at it again.... baiting and mocking protestors .... what a moron. Seven cities were suffering and instead of being a leader he is talking like a thug:

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There is a HUGE difference between Common citizen and the leader of the entire country. He is stroking tensions just for political reasons.

He needs to shut up and let state and local governments handle the situation. He is incapable, hated and polarizing figure right now in the USA. Everything he says is taken the right or the wrong way.

USA right now looks worse than a third world country.... people dead from COVID are not buried yet and this moron has started another crisis and now America looks to be in the civil war.

Just for a second think about the image of America in the world press. Chinese must be rolling on the floor thinking the guy who is locked up in the White House seems to have lost control on the streets.

yes he is doing it for his local political base striking hatred between white and black but really this is his only thing left in the arsenal.

America is being laughed at right now.... have you ever opened the news channels to see the coverage?
from injecting bleach to using unproven medicine to making outrageous claims. It makes me cringe when the guy comes on the screen.

if you are someone like me .... in awe of American technology, innovation, creativity and economy you wouldn’t be able to sleep thinking what is happening to this country. This country was not meant or made to please peasants and white power supporters. It was meant as an incubator of sharpminds, democracy and creativity.
Alas all is lost under this moron.
 

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Really and there are no gays and no parades in America? It is as common as 711 in every community in America.

As I said unfortunately USA today is the land ruled for extremists, racists, xenophobics and hypocrite.

Those very people who preach against gay and prostitution are caught using both. Look at evangelical leaders? The worst of the lot. Religious leaders are the worse of the lot everywhere so no surprise there.

So as Trump said to finger women and laughed about rapeing them .... so in your new America this what should be encouraged and talked about to kids and is normal but not Gays?

This is a classical hypocritical mind set.
 

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No being gay is not right and in my religion I believe it’s a punishment humans brought about on themselves and is a great sin.

My point is not that.

If there is a terrorist attack on a country and innocents are killed should the country go and do equal or greater atrocity to those who committed the crime? no the state must be help at a different standard and same goes for the leaders .

Are black innocent? Absolutely no. Infact I have spent 10 years of my life and I found equal number of blacks on like or dislike side by me. Their socio economic status, life style, ethics are poles apart from what normal people live. We can go into huge discussion about why or why not.

But how fair is to stereotype them and make the good people feel liable for the actions of bad people ? Trump paints everything as black and white .... he is wrong there . He had no exposure to the American politics, American administration, American ordinary society , American small businesses, and yet he became a president !!!!

he is unethical , a liar, a manipulator and a flat out racist.

one correction : people in Canada are not laughing.... we actually feel like we are watching a bad drama serial day after day and most are dazed and confused as to what is happening in America. To us Trudeau despite his weaknesses represents the best of a western world.
and yes laughing at the USA is not limited to the Europe or Canada .... China, Russia the Middle East and basically the whole world cannot stop laughing in disgust at Trump.
 

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We will disagree again, we were originally talking about looters and rioters, peaceful protest is fine. Trying to tell people to keep it peaceful or else, is ok too, because if you keep it peaceful it's fine.
 

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When I worked in Norwalk I saw the best and the worst of America.... but I always believe in not remembering the five percent of bad people but always think fondly of 95 percent good people.
unfortunately in America we are forced to, and is completely acceptable , to talk in racial terms ..... white patient / black patient / latino. In Canada we will be chastised if we use these terms because they are meant to divide us not make us better citizens ....

As Guns and Roses sang:

Look at the shoes you're filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more
 

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When I worked in Norwalk I saw the best and the worst of America.... but I always believe in not remembering the five percent of bad people but always think fondly of 95 percent good people.
unfortunately in America we are forced to, and is completely acceptable , to talk in racial terms ..... white patient / black patient / latino. In Canada we will be chastised if we use these terms because they are meant to divide us not make us better citizens ....

As Guns and Roses sang:

Look at the shoes you're filling
Look at the blood we're spilling
Look at the world we're killing
The way we've always done before
Look in the doubt we've wallowed
Look at the leaders we've followed
Look at the lies we've swallowed
And I don't want to hear no more
wow, chastised for using terms to identify someone ethnicity. Completely crazy, let's ignore that different ethnic groups suffer from different medical problems. Just crazy, and why political correctness has gone to far
 

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It's like calling the cops and telling them someone just robbed me, but not being able to give them a description because it's not political correct to do so
 

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Hahahahaha well that is true we do sometimes take things too far..... but it’s not that bad as I made it sound.


my kids go to a school where there are kids from 38 countries. I especially put my kids there. I want them to learn , see and respect differences and appreciate diversity . Because it’s a private school they have one day rainbow flag and celebrate pride day too.....

I just don’t send my kids to school that day !
 

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Unarmed. And dead. ?

TRAYVON MARTIN (Walking home with iced tea and Skittles. Shot by George Zimmerman, who was found not guilty.)

KEITH SCOTT (Sitting in car, reading. Shot by police officer, who was not charged.)

ATATIANA JEFFERSON (Looking out her window, shot by police officer, who is still under indictment for murder.)

JONATHAN FERRELL (Asking for help after auto accident. Shot twelve times by police, case ended in mistrial.)

JORDAN EDWARDS (Riding in a car. Shot in the back of the head by police officer, who was found guilty of murder.)

STEPHON CLARK (Holdng a cel phone. Shot 8 times, 6 in the back. Officers not charged.)

AMADOU DIALLO (While taking out wallet, officers fired 41 shots by four officers, who were all acquitted.)

RENISHA MCBRIDE (Auto accident, knocked on door for help. Homeowner was found guilty of second-degree murder.)

TAMIR RICE (Playing with toy gun, shot by police officer arriving on scene. Officer was not charged.

SEAN BELL (Hosting a bachelor party, 50 rounds fired by police officers, who were found not guilty of charges.)

WALTER SCOTT (Pulled over for brake light, shot in the back by police officer, who pleaded guilty to civil rights violations.)

PHILANDO CASTILE (Pulled over in car, told officer he had a legally registered weapon in car. Officer acquitted of all charges.)

AIYANA JONES (Sleeping, accidentally shot by officer in a raid on wrong apartment. Officer cleared of all charges.)

TERRENCE CRUTCHER (Disabled vehicle, shot by police officer, who was found not guilty of manslaughter.)

ALTON STERLING (Selling CDs, shot at close range while being arrested. No charges filed.)

FREDDIE GRAY (Beaten to death by officers while being transported in police van. All officers involved were acquitted.)

JOHN CRAWFORD (Shopping at WalMart, holding a BB gun on sale, police officer was not charged.)

MICHAEL BROWN (Shot by twelve times by officer, including in the back. No charges filed.)

JORDAN DAVIS (Killed because he was playing loud music. Shooter found guilty of first-degree murder.)

SANDRA BLAND (Pulled over for traffic ticket, tasered and arrested. Suspicious “suicide” while in jail. No charges.)

BOTHAM JEAN (Shot at home, which police officer mistook for her own. Officer found guilty of murder.)

OSCAR GRANT (Handcuffed and face-down, officer shot him in the back. Officer found guilty of involuntary manslaughter.)

COREY JONES (Waiting by his disabled vehicle, was shot three times by police officer, who was found guilty of murder.)

AHMAUD AUBREY (Jogging, shot by two men who claimed they suspected him of burglaries. Both men charged with murder and aggravated assault”
 
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