Its all about number game, its reality that all air strike on enemies areas will not be successful with possiblity of heavy losses, so many plans can be lost in it, here mirage came in to act, like one way mission
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So what your hinting at is. That we get these for relatively cheap to boost our numbers and then slowly replace them with the modren J-10s because I assume J-10s would be coming in small batches which would take time. Correct me if I'm wrong.Sheer numbers my friend. Do you know how many mirages we have? Even with the mirages our numbers are not good enough keeping in mind our enemy next door. Would India phase out all their Mig 21's just because they are getting 36 Rafale's. Remember we are not getting 200+ new jets.
Mirages will have there utility, secondly they are a very good test bed for testing new missiles and bombs. They are very good work horse.
Just imagine the look on indian fans when they see us creating And inducting multiple squadrons every yearIts all about number game, its reality that all air strike on enemies areas will not be successful with possiblity of heavy losses, so many plans can be lost in it, here mirage came in to act, like one way mission
Mirages are going to be replaced by JF-17. Remember mirages are not going anywhere for at least a decade. We used the same mirages successfully on 27FebSo what your hinting at is. That we get these for relatively cheap to boost our numbers and then slowly replace them with the modren J-10s because I assume J-10s would be coming in small batches which would take time. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Would not J-10 be better in that role since its 10× more advanced then the mirage. Also the J-10 has a new airframe/aerodynamics just like the rafales and eurofighters.You can’t replace mirage airframe with J 10 airframe .... we are way behind Indians in numbers and to me every airframe counts ....
Horus can do precision strike better than most of our mirages ..... just imagine Indians think they are engaging regular mirage and here comes MICA pointing at them.
Someone had said that it would cost more to fly and old airframe then to buy a new jet. Isnt that true?Mirages are going to be replaced by JF-17. Remember mirages are not going anywhere for at least a decade. We used the same mirages successfully on 27Feb
That is why I said F-16s only used in defense when the Indians cross the line into Pakistan. I was reluctant to say that the F-16s would go outside of pakistani airspace. We all know how much india is going to cry to its daddy just like they did in February.@Pakhtoon yum
J-10 Talks aren’t new but quite old, Since the A version era.
However, After CPEC got finalized, The threat spectrum increased, New fronts opened, New requirements and Capacity, We were already short of fighters even then to face the numbers of IAF.
Now, The requirements of Pak Military UNTIL NOW WERE in terms of Air Warfare are
But,
- Area denial
- Ground attack
- Naval offensive
PAF was missing out on two key Missions,
- Air superiority
- Deep strike
Air superiority role was meant to be fulfilled by F-16s which have been quite successful in that regards but not anymore in near future.
Our enemy is slowly but progressively building up, Upgrading current assets or planning to...
Deep strike role requires an aircraft with good range but the aircraft alone will be a sitting duck so it needs companions to perform EW/ECCM, Blind enemy radars and provide a cover as well as launch decoys.
This is where I think J-15D and J-10B/C combination fits in, J-15 being the growler as well as air superiority fighter in a team while J-10s are the Anti Ground Fighters in this scenario.
Definitely You will need waves while performing such an attack, A first wave of JF-17s coupled with some Anti ground deep strike J-10s, JF-17s to distract them, J-15 following closely to blind them as well as provide air support while J-10s remaining low, Go for the Hunt.
As for Your Mirage question, Bhai mein bhi jawabless hon is mamlay mein .
Shayad Bholari ke liye hon, Deep strike in Indian part of sindh or maybe Naval strike.
F-16s, Just for Area denial and Defence of the local skies.
i think mirage is an excellent for low level flight/terrain hugging/ radar evading aircraft, thats why we are keeping it. we are using it for decades now, mastered it. J10 will take time for pilots to get used to it, developing tactics , building its numbers , integration of different weapons .So why get these when we are supposedly getting J-10s for the same role? Shouldn't we be getting rid of mirages not getting more?
There is no replacement on the market for mirages, are there?i think mirage is an excellent for low level flight/terrain hugging/ radar evading aircraft, thats why we are keeping it. we are using it for decades now, mastered it. J10 will take time for pilots to get used to it, developing tactics , building its numbers , integration of different weapons .
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Paisa phenk tamasha dekhThere is no replacement on the market for mirages, are there?
JH 7 perhaps , i am not sure not an expert bro.There is no replacement on the market for mirages, are there?
We don't. But EAF HORUS Mirages are MICA equippped. It will be a different case if we get them from Egypt or not since their M2K also use the same.Do we use MICA ? Does HORUS have MICA ?
initially the numbers were rumoured to be 36.@Khafee
As i read on some mirages related website, Egypt went for 23 birds hours program out of 60 apx birds
So if got all 23 horus in them it will be good deal as all were modified around in 2010
Cant wait to see Indian youtubers making videos on J-15 ,Explaining to their Bakht audience how J-15 is a crap jet and then will spend next 10 min explaining how their single Rafael will destroy our whole squadron of J-15sJust imagine the look on indian fans when they see us creating And inducting multiple squadrons every year
I am excited like a bulldog, drooling all overCant wait to see Indian youtubers making videos on J-15 ,Explaining to their Bakht audience how J-15 is a crap jet and then will spend next 10 min explaining how their single Rafael will destroy our whole squadron of J-15s