Egyptian Mirage V Horus released after stiff opposition from India.

[Safri167]

No.

Desert Falcons?

 

[Khafee]

Desert Falcons?

Yes!

 

[Safri167]

but why mica? dont they have aim 120?

 

[TomCat]

but why mica? dont they have aim 120?

Excess inventory maybe

 

[Khafee]

but why mica? dont they have aim 120?

They have C7 as well. Interoperability provides flexibility. Plus MICA IR has its own advantages.

 

[Old boy]

They have C7 as well. Interoperability provides flexibility. Plus MICA IR has its own advantages.

MICA IS A BVR MISSILE AND SO WHAT IS ITS ACTUAL KILLIG RANGE.

 

[Gripen9]

MICA IS A BVR MISSILE AND SO WHAT IS ITS ACTUAL KILLIG RANGE.

Stop using ALL CAPS. IT IS CONSIDERED YELLING ONLINE.

 

[ali razza]

@Pakhtoon yum

J-10 Talks aren’t new but quite old, Since the A version era.

However, After CPEC got finalized, The threat spectrum increased, New fronts opened, New requirements and Capacity, We were already short of fighters even then to face the numbers of IAF.

Now, The requirements of Pak Military UNTIL NOW WERE in terms of Air Warfare are

• Area denial
• Ground attack
• Naval offensive

But,

PAF was missing out on two key Missions,

• Air superiority
• Deep strike

Air superiority role was meant to be fulfilled by F-16s which have been quite successful in that regards but not anymore in near future.

Our enemy is slowly but progressively building up, Upgrading current assets or planning to...

Deep strike role requires an aircraft with good range but the aircraft alone will be a sitting duck so it needs companions to perform EW/ECCM, Blind enemy radars and provide a cover as well as launch decoys.

This is where I think J-15D and J-10B/C combination fits in, J-15 being the growler as well as air superiority fighter in a team while J-10s are the Anti Ground Fighters in this scenario.

Definitely You will need waves while performing such an attack, A first wave of JF-17s coupled with some Anti ground deep strike J-10s, JF-17s to distract them, J-15 following closely to blind them as well as provide air support while J-10s remaining low, Go for the Hunt.

As for Your Mirage question, Bhai mein bhi jawabless hon is mamlay mein .

Shayad Bholari ke liye hon, Deep strike in Indian part of sindh or maybe Naval strike.

F-16s, Just for Area denial and Defence of the local skies.

very good analysis

 

[Old boy]

Stop using ALL CAPS. IT IS CONSIDERED YELLING ONLINE.

Ok it is unintentional but still waiting reply of my question and advise me to correct me NO order type language.thanks

 

[Scorpio]

No.

UAE block 60

 

[Armchair]

I have a theory but it could be wrong. The theory is that PAF went beyond the ROSE upgrades and localized an upgrade for its Mirages. Although SIPRI database doesn't show this, I believe there are (ROSE or not):

50 BVR capable Mirages
50 Strike capable Mirages

Approximately one squadron each for Northern, Central and Southern commands. Now, China has developed a pylon that can be integrated with Western aircraft and automatically integrates Chinese weapons. Meaning, such a pylon on the Mirage aircraft will allow their radars to cue SD-10s.

If you add 20 more Horus to this equation, you have 70 BVR platforms capable of firing SD-10s. Add to this 76 F-16s and 124 JF-17s - that's a lot of BVR platforms.

I believe the F-7PGs can also integrate the SD-10s in a similar way. Although the aircraft would probably not be able to use the max range of the SD-10, it matters little operationaly, as in the low level ambush mode PGs will be flying, it is good enough.

The point is that any BVR launched in real world conditions, and at low level barely remains a BVR at all. Effective range becomes close to 30-40 kms anyways.

 

[Waiting]

Sir, I first phase of war, there are lot of targets to hit simultaneously, even deep inside enemy's territory, need lot of strike package and obviously lot of attrition, in that scenario you cannot push your first class to save for lateron use.. moreover chances of falling good technology in the hands of enemy by shooting down first class fighter... as we did with American tomahawks, so for that purpose mirage is good platform, lag gaya tu ok na lga tu b good...

 

[Khafee]

Its all about number game, its reality that all air strike on enemies areas will not be successful with possiblity of heavy losses, so many plans can be lost in it, here mirage came in to act, like one way mission

Mirages do not have the capability to go on stand alone missions, they will always be "part of a pkg", unless they are doing maritime patrol.

 

[War Historian]

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It seems delivery of the Horus a/c's has started, and these Hercs seen landing at Nur Khan Air Base, Chaklala earlier, were indeed carrying Horus for MRF Kamra.

Without going into detail for obvious reasons, they will be utilized as follows:

1/3rd for parts
2/3rd to be inducted for fleet augmentation

Deliveries will be complete by the end of July max IA.

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Sir it means mirages will serve next decade along with the thunders,vipers and sky sharks. Insha'Allah. Thank for the quote.

 

[War Historian]

"My view on this and these proposed purchases"

F-16: used in initial battle to clear the sky of opposition and any immediate threats.

J-10: intruding into enemy territory to carry out strikes and pick out any vulnerable targets.

JF-17: used as support for J-10s and acts like a force multiplier. Only comes forward when J-10s need more firepower. Otherwise hangs in the back on alert.

J-15: used as the third wave to carry out deep strikes on enemy airfields and bases.

Re-f-16: brought forward and target any other fighters in enemy territory.

Repeat J-10 and J-15 deeper in.

Where do Horus fit into this?

Sir i think Mirages will be used before Thunder in a possible war. And F-16 & J-10 will lead the air superiority attack over the indian skies.and when most of the skies will be cleared by the falcons and J-10 then the ground attack will be launched by the Mirages and covered by the Thunders. But this will be happen after the flankers fleet collapse. And J-15 growlers might be used in early stages to jam and destruction of the S-300&S-400 system.
That might be a possible scenarios. And one thing more sir, in a war we have trained pilots but short of the jets so we must collect as many jets as we can.when the war will start, we might see a great loss in day one, because both air forces will attempt to dominate the skies of sub continent.
So the day one or might be some early hours will be horrible for both air forces. PAF must keep the older retired jets in order. Because the old jets can be used as decoys against the s-400 , to save the newer jets to attack on IAF.
May Allah bless our Armed forces. Amen