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Blackbirdz! said:
who told u this nonsense? some random chap in PDF? Do u even have a proof of that?
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Blackbirdz! said:
what a load of crap......
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Whether you agree with someone or not, you need to remain polite and civil.
IF you dont agree with someone, make your point POLITELY, and move on.

I hope I will not have to repeat myself.

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Scorpio said:
Update on PAF: "JF-17 Block-3's Engine" ?? ⚡

JF-17 Block-3 will use "RD-93M". This engine is specially designed by "Kilmov" for JF-17 Thunder. This new variant will provide better thrust which will help in achieving better "Thrust to Weight Ratio".

✅ Guizhou WS-13 Engine by Guizhou AIC

PAF won't be selecting WS-13 engine for JF-17 Block-3. Some basic reasons why WS-13 won't power JF-17 Thunder are as follows:

1. Needs minor modifications in fuselage of JF-17 Thunder to house WS-13 engine.

2. WS-13 engine is not a mature platform as compared to RD-93M.

3. Opting WS-13 engine means, PAF would need new maintenance facility which is not cost effective solution.

4. WS-13 provides little more thrust than RD-93M, which means it has no significant edge over RD-93M.

5. WS-13 engine doesn't provide more "Service Hours" than RD-93M.

✅ Conclusion

Replacing RD-93 with WS-13 is not cost effective solution(New Maintenance Facilities required). Moreover, WS-13 has no significant performance edge over RD-93M (Thrust etc). WS-13 is not a mature platform as compared to RD-93.

PAF is satisfied with RD-93 engine & it is providing excellent service to JF-17 Thunder & PAF.
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This seems a little counterproductive, no?
I assumed the plan was to take the russians out of the equation.
 
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Blackbirdz! said:
what a load of crap......

Here is a Comment from this same video;

Vic Multani;
The Super 7 project name was kept to hide the true identity of the JF17 design till the program got well under way---. All designs of Super 7 were wiped out and a new design came up. Prior to restarting work on the JF17---Paf had evaluated the Grippen, Paf also had evaluated the F20 tiger shark at one time and looked well at the F18 as well. The original EW package and radar on this aircraft was to be french 'Thales' but the french refused as they had a bigger deal on the Rafale coming up with india. So---Paf had to search for another package from elsewhere. There is no similarity to the mig21 in this aircraft---neither the position of the wings----the fuselage---the tail---the front or the back---or any other design other than that the mig21 and the jf17 both fly. Millenium 7 if you found out how deep was Paf's influence in building this aircraft---you will be shocked---. You will also be surprised how far this influence went in the designs of 'other' chinese aircraft. Paf had flown with and against many a european air forces and off course the USAF. Chinese had no experience in a modern day fighter aircraft---. Incidently the project director AVM Latif R 1 hour interview is only in URDU---wish it was in english---. The DSI was pakistani influenced design---. Paf made 40 + recommendations for changes in the J10---one of them was DSI---. many a times the chinese got upset tired of the changes that the Paf wanted---way ahead of the chinese capabilities---but still ended up finding a way to do it---. Please remember---Paf had more exposure to the western equipment than china. Paf operated the F16's---had tested the Mirage F1's---2000 and checked out the Rafale as well---Grippen---F18's---f20's. The chinese did build it---but what the Paf wanted---. The end product was way ahead of what the chinese had in mind in 2001-02-03---.
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Regarding the F-18 - there was a Pakistani American that had worked on the F-18 avionics and had returned to Pakistan...
 
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Please reply if someone can clarify that Why didnt Pakistan invest some money in R&D for its own engine when it started JF-17 program with China and why dont we see any news or even a rumour about Pak developing or even thinking of developing its own engine in the future , Pakistan has been using F-16's for almost 4 decades and now RD-93 for almost 13 years ,why didnt PAF tried to reverse engineer any of the engines that it has been maintaining and overhauling for decades, Even if we say that JF-17 was our first project and PAF didnt focus on every aspect but PAF has been planning Project Azm for last couple of years and we still havent heard any rumour of Pak developing an engine or even its own radar for Azm , How can we call Project Azm indigenous when its radar will be probably chinese , its engine will be probably chinese , its BVR missiles will be chinese and probably even design will be based on J-31 , will project Azm be called as a joint venture btw PAF-China or is Pakistan thinking of doing something on its own for future of both JF-17 and Project Azm
 
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Mechanic said:
Please reply if someone can clarify that Why didnt Pakistan invest some money in R&D for its own engine when it started JF-17 program with China and why dont we see any news or even a rumour about Pak developing or even thinking of developing its own engine in the future , Pakistan has been using F-16's for almost 4 decades and now RD-93 for almost 13 years ,why didnt PAF tried to reverse engineer any of the engines that it has been maintaining and overhauling for decades, Even if we say that JF-17 was our first project and PAF didnt focus on every aspect but PAF has been planning Project Azm for last couple of years and we still havent heard any rumour of Pak developing an engine or even its own radar for Azm , How can we call Project Azm indigenous when its radar will be probably chinese , its engine will be probably chinese , its BVR missiles will be chinese and probably even design will be based on J-31 , will project Azm be called as a joint venture btw PAF-China or is Pakistan thinking of doing something on its own for future of both JF-17 and Project Azm
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we have been assembling cbu's for car's and bikes for decades now why haven't we come up with a car engine, bike engine or generator engine of our's till now? these things take time, as per AVM Latif Project Azam would be totally made in Pakistan and that's why it's not something we can get in next 5 to 10 years. With AZM R&D would be done on all aspects of aircraft including engine.
 
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Blackbirdz! said:
sure.........but im talking abt blk3 its ahead of them in T/W with WS13E......and we all saw, jf17 did get off WITHOUT afterburners in clean configuration with exception of two wing tip A to A missiles it carried.
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Oh Plz,
Not again !!!

How many times shall I have to make you all understand the simple point that the pic was of landing and not take off.

The chute wasn’t released yet but the brakes were deployed.
 
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Mechanic said:
Please reply if someone can clarify that Why didnt Pakistan invest some money in R&D for its own engine when it started JF-17 program with China and why dont we see any news or even a rumour about Pak developing or even thinking of developing its own engine in the future , Pakistan has been using F-16's for almost 4 decades and now RD-93 for almost 13 years ,why didnt PAF tried to reverse engineer any of the engines that it has been maintaining and overhauling for decades, Even if we say that JF-17 was our first project and PAF didnt focus on every aspect but PAF has been planning Project Azm for last couple of years and we still havent heard any rumour of Pak developing an engine or even its own radar for Azm , How can we call Project Azm indigenous when its radar will be probably chinese , its engine will be probably chinese , its BVR missiles will be chinese and probably even design will be based on J-31 , will project Azm be called as a joint venture btw PAF-China or is Pakistan thinking of doing something on its own for future of both JF-17 and Project Azm
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Hi,

Financially and technically and tactically not worth it---.
 
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baqai said:
we have been assembling cbu's for car's and bikes for decades now why haven't we come up with a car engine, bike engine or generator engine of our's till now? these things take time, as per AVM Latif Project Azam would be totally made in Pakistan and that's why it's not something we can get in next 5 to 10 years. With AZM R&D would be done on all aspects of aircraft including engine.
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World is already moving past 5th Gen fighters and If cant even make our own 5th gen in next 10 years , Whats even the point of investing so much , RnD for Radar and engines and fully manufacturing our 5th gen fighter will take almost a decade and then producing the required numbers will tak 4-5 years more , We are gen behind from these large defence manufacturer around the world and if PAF is thinking for taking atleast 15 more years for 5th gen fighter , it wouldnt be a surprise if we will be behind 2 gens in the future
 
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