Lockheed Martin (LM) CSC Type 26 Frigate Design

[space cadet]

If they ever take delivery of one of these Frigates, which may never happen, they will easily be 6 to 7 billion each. They should cut bait. They could get real warships for less money. That's LM for you.

 

[GRANNY001]

If they ever take delivery of one of these Frigates, which may never happen, they will easily be 6 to 7 billion each. They should cut bait. They could get real warships for less money. That's LM for you.

You could be right mtime7. Only time will tell. Unfortunately I believe we are far too much into this program to get out of it. The so called National Shipbuilding Strategy (NSS) that has been toughted by the government is in real danger of falling apart. WHAT A MESS!!

 

[space cadet]

I am sure LM has greased the right palms, and that is how it got this far, but at some point someone has got to say, "Let's build 10 FREMM's, 5 Destroyers (take your pick), and order a 2 Virginia Class fast attack subs for this kind of money.

 

[GRANNY001]

An interesting reply to the PBOs report on the CSC Frigate costs from Matt Gurney of the National Post:

Matt Gurney: Just build the damn ships. And buy the damn planes. The huge cost overruns are the price to pay for our incompetence

 

[space cadet]

build what ships? They don't have a ship, they have systems under development for probably the next 10 to 15 years. When they chose the Spy7 radar, the program should have been canceled, it should have been the red flag.

 

[GRANNY001]

Could not disagree with you more mtime7. The SPY 7 is an integral part of the CSC Frigate CMS 330 system and critical to everything else. To wait, despite all the government bungling, any longer would be to sink the RCN for good along with the National Shipbuilding Strategy.

 

[space cadet]

It's not even a naval radar, should have went with the spy6, the US is going to keep it up to date, the spy 7, (non naval radar) your on your own

 

[GRANNY001]

It's not even a naval radar, should have went with the spy6, the US is going to keep it up to date, the spy 7, (non naval radar) your on your own

Don't know mtime7 where you are getting your information from, but the AN/SPY 7 V1/V2 is definitely a Naval radar. It will be fitted (so far) on the Spanish F110 Frigate, possibly the new Japanese Frigate as well as the Canadian CSC Frigate. To say it is not a Naval radar is just not true (the AN designation makes it so). For your education, the SPY 6 AMDR is much too heavy a radar for the CSC Frigate's main mast and was never even considered because of that problem. It would make the mast much too top-heavy. Besides, LM has indicated that the AN SPY 7 V1/V2 may out-perform the SPY 6 anyway.

 

[space cadet]

yea, sure, it's a Lock mart radar, and they will tell you any kind of bull to sell you on it. If you haven't learned yet from the cost overruns, maybe eventually you guys will. Just because they call AN doesn't mean anything, it's a land based radar, that's the original design and as to my knowledge has not been certified for sea. Pay for it.

 

[GRANNY001]

yea, sure, it's a Lock mart radar, and they will tell you any kind of bull to sell you on it. If you haven't learned yet from the cost overruns, maybe eventually you guys will. Just because they call AN doesn't mean anything, it's a land based radar, that's the original design and as to my knowledge has not been certified for sea. Pay for it.

Yes, the first radar that LM developed was a Land Based Long Range Discrimination Radar (LRDR) radar specifically designed for the Japanese to counter any Ballistic Missile threats There is also one up in Alaska as well. Having said that, the SPY 7 V 1 radar was also developed by LM specifically for shipboard use and was designated by the USN as AN/SP7 V1. American Naval radar developments are fast moving so perhaps you haven't heard that the SPY 7 is now ready to go to sea. See below:

Lockheed Martin’s SPY-7 Radar Is Going to Sea - Seapower

Lockheed Martin’s SPY-7 Radar Is Going to Sea Front Page

seapowermagazine.org

 

[space cadet]

is it certified for Sea use? Or are you guys going to pay for that? Hell they probably gave it to the Spanish (Don't worry, Canada will pay the bills) and as for the Japanese, I think they are smart enough not to use it, even though they already bought them for land use, box em up and put them away

 

[space cadet]

listen, I don't want to argue with you, it's boondoggle, which LM is famous for. Agree?

 

[GRANNY001]

is it certified for Sea use? Or are you guys going to pay for that? Hell they probably gave it to the Spanish (Don't worry, Canada will pay the bills) and as for the Japanese, I think they are smart enough not to use it, even though they already bought them for land use, box em up and put them away

This radar would not be going on any of these Frigates if it wasn't ready. Especially with the Canadian government involved. Spain is buying 6 of the SPY 7s (One for testing/training ashore and 5 for the F110 Frigates at $622M CAD for all). Same for Canada but 16 in total at 1.63B CAD. Japan I believe for all their new Frigates (I believe they are building 20). This radar although not yet fitted on board is mature and "ready to go". The only thing missing is the crew training. As for the land version, Japan is thinking of putting them on platforms at sea (think oil rigs) so the land version is not dead yet.

 

[GRANNY001]

listen, I don't want to argue with you, it's boondoggle, which LM is famous for. Agree?

Every company wants to meet their "bottom line" and LM is no different. If you were to do just a little more research on the AN/SPY 7, it may surprise you. This purchase is not a "boondoggle" as you say and these radars will be the fitted on the CSC Frigates and probably out-perform the SPY 6 AMDR in years to come. Canada sometimes join American TGs and I know the USN is already envious of the CSC Frigate having this radar and can't wait for one to join their Carrier TGs. No arguments here, just plain facts..

 

[space cadet]

Every company wants to meet their "bottom line" and LM is no different. If you were to do just a little more research on the AN/SPY 7, it may surprise you. This purchase is not a "boondoggle" as you say and these radars will be the fitted on the CSC Frigates and probably out-perform the SPY 6 AMDR in years to come. Canada sometimes join American TGs and I know the USN is already envious of the CSC Frigate having this radar and can't wait for one to join their Carrier TGs. No arguments here, just plain facts..

I wasn't talking about the radar. the whole purchase is a boondoggle