Pakistan approaches Riyadh for renewal of $3.2b oil facility

[Mechanic]

What good is a visit, when no conrete steps have been taken, by GoP, and the bottom line is "Hi Hello." Do you honestly think "this time around" it will achieve anything?

Alot of the social media journalists are saying that pressure on Pakistan to recognize Israel has increased in past 2 years by some friendlies and after UAE-Israel deal more Arab countries are to follow including Saudia , Do you think Saudia will officially recognize Israel in upcoming years and can UAE-Israel deal be the reason why Pakistan made that statment regarding Saudia on Kashmir a couple of days before the agreement between UAE-Israel I know you blame SMQ for that but there is alot of disagreement regarding whether SMQ said it on behalf of GOP or someone else

 

[Khafee]

The GHQ can/should force its way through if it means preserving the partnership through tough actions

Till now, I dont see any concrete steps. You and I can only hope, that they wake and realize the severity of the incident.

 

[Nightfox]

Doesn't matter who goes. What matters is what's been done.
Stern and genuine action against SMQ would have said a whole more.

True but what happened could take the realtionship to levels below 2015 Yemen war.So "maybe"something might happen.

 

[Nightfox]

Till now, I dont see any concrete steps. You and I can only hope, that they wake and realize the severity of the incident.

Its a tough spot for Pakistan and while you may know what goes on I will just speculate and watch the news.

 

[Khafee]

Alot of the social media journalists are saying that pressure on Pakistan to recognize Israel has increased in past 2 years by some friendlies and after UAE-Israel deal more Arab countries are to follow including Saudia , Do you think Saudia will officially recognize Israel in upcoming years and can UAE-Israel deal be the reason why Pakistan made that statment regarding Saudia on Kashmir a couple of days before the agreement between UAE-Israel I know you blame SMQ for that but there is alot of disagreement regarding whether SMQ said it on behalf of GOP or someone else

I dont understand why do Pakistanis expect GCC to stand with them on Kashmir?
Did Pak stand with KSA during Gulf War1?
Did Pak stand with KSA when Yemen Op started?
Did Pak stand with KSA when Iranian missiles were used to attack Makkah?
Did Pak stand with KSA when Iran attacked Saudi Aramco oil facilities with cruise missiles?

But now, you expect others to support you?

When Jordan and Egypt, Israels two most important neighbors recognized Israel decades ago, Paks recognition, or disapproval is not going to change any ground realities.

The current strategy of isolating Israel hasn't worked, so what is the point in irking everyone and continuing with it? IS China following Pak policy on Israel? Actually, far from it.

 

[TsAr]

Every country looks after its own interest. There are no brothers or friends in International politics. Countries just look after there interests.

 

[Safri167]

how many arabs came to fight for us in 65 anad 71? any one with history knowledge can tell? @War Historian

 

[BATMAN]

True but what happened could take the realtionship to levels below 2015 Yemen war.So "maybe"something might happen.

Relationship started to fade, immediately after Zardari took over, when govt. of Pakistan took down a job advertisement in local news for security guards in Bahrain, this was result of too much lies on some websites who look after IRGC interests in Pakistan. Those website some are kids of Pak army from Shia sect. most likely got hired during Zardari and Iran Khan's rule.
Than i remember was the killing of Saudi ambassador.
Followed by anti Saudi speeches in senate, pointing at Saudi society and their religious practices, which echoed later in parliament.
Further down the line, FO remain unclear on joining IMCTC.
Last but not least, NS refused to give clearance to General Rahil Sharif to join IMCTC.

There's organized network, which is working openly to look after Iranian interests, which basically boils down to money laundering and free movement of fighters across the border.

Iran Khan's social media team and jurnos. are totally quite on news like, which actually is concerning Pakistan:

Pakistan Seizes Iran Oil Tanker - EA WorldView

Pakistan's authorities have seized an Iranian tanker trying to bring oil into country, accusing owners of trying to break US sanctions with forged papers.

eaworldview.com

 

[Khafee]

how many arabs came to fight for us in 65 anad 71? any one with history knowledge can tell? @War Historian

While you are at it, do look at how KSA has financally supported you since 1947, and AbuDhabi since late 1960's.

 

[Khafee]

Its a tough spot for Pakistan and while you may know what goes on I will just speculate and watch the news.

Shireen Mazari criticises Foreign Office on Kashmir strategy
August 15, 2020

Minister for Human Rights Shireen Mazari on Saturday criticised the Foreign Office in failing to carry forward Prime Minister Imran Khan’s narrative on Kashmir.

In an astonishing rebuke of the FO, she said that it had "let Kashmiris and Prime Minister Imran Khan down" in their struggle for the Kashmir cause.

Addressing a function in Islamabad, Mazari said that it was through the prime minister's "single-handed efforts" that the narrative surrounding Kashmir changed in the global arena.

"If the Foreign Office had carried forward the prime minister's narrative, the situation would have been vastly different today," said the minister.
Mazari said that no matter the world's politics, had the Foreign Office taken action, the world would certainly have listened to Pakistan on the issue.

"But our diplomats chose leisurely hotel stays, dressing in three-piece suits and heavily starched clothes and speaking over the telephone," she added.

The human rights minister questioned how a country like Burkina Faso "has more diplomatic clout" than Pakistan, as it managed to get a resolution passed by the United Nations Human Rights Council against police brutality in the United States in the wake of protests against George Flyod's murder.

Mazari said we have to move away from traditional diplomacy and for that we need to adopt modern methods.
"The Kashmiri struggle is a just struggle. Indian occupation forces are using the debasement of women as a political tool," said the minister.
She said our response in the matter needs a major revamp if our voice against such atrocities is to go to the far reaches of the world.

 

[Khafee]

Every country looks after its own interest. There are no brothers or friends in International politics. Countries just look after there interests.

dont miss "quid pro quo" aka "no free lunch"

 

[Mumin]

And somehow it is everyone's fault except Pakistan?


Shireen Mazari criticises Foreign Office on Kashmir strategy
August 15, 2020
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Minister for Human Rights Shireen Mazari on Saturday criticised the Foreign Office in failing to carry forward Prime Minister Imran Khan’s narrative on Kashmir.

In an astonishing rebuke of the FO, she said that it had "let Kashmiris and Prime Minister Imran Khan down" in their struggle for the Kashmir cause.

Addressing a function in Islamabad, Mazari said that it was through the prime minister's "single-handed efforts" that the narrative surrounding Kashmir changed in the global arena.

"If the Foreign Office had carried forward the prime minister's narrative, the situation would have been vastly different today," said the minister.
Mazari said that no matter the world's politics, had the Foreign Office taken action, the world would certainly have listened to Pakistan on the issue.

"But our diplomats chose leisurely hotel stays, dressing in three-piece suits and heavily starched clothes and speaking over the telephone," she added.

The human rights minister questioned how a country like Burkina Faso "has more diplomatic clout" than Pakistan, as it managed to get a resolution passed by the United Nations Human Rights Council against police brutality in the United States in the wake of protests against George Flyod's murder.

Mazari said we have to move away from traditional diplomacy and for that we need to adopt modern methods.
"The Kashmiri struggle is a just struggle. Indian occupation forces are using the debasement of women as a political tool," said the minister.
She said our response in the matter needs a major revamp if our voice against such atrocities is to go to the far reaches of the world.
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Pakistan approaches Riyadh for renewal of $3.2b oil facility

What good is a visit, when no conrete steps have been taken, by GoP, and the bottom line is "Hi Hello." Do you honestly think "this time around" it will achieve anything? Alot of the social media journalists are saying that pressure on Pakistan to recognize Israel has increased in past 2 years...

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It’s appalling if he went on about it without PM’s approval, that sounds bizarre. Why isn’t he sacked yet if this was personal statement ? World politics is in big mess now.

 

[Khafee]

It’s appalling if he went on about it without PM’s approval, that sounds bizarre. Why isn’t he sacked yet if this was personal statement ? World politics is in big mess now.

Doesn't make it any less appealing if he went on with the PM's approval.

 

[Mumin]

This is nothing less complicated than the fitna of Dajjal lol

 

[Khafee]

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Without any concrete steps from Pakistan, this time around, it will not be easy.