Pakistan approaches Riyadh for renewal of $3.2b oil facility

[farok84]

Without any concrete steps from Pakistan, this time around, it will not be easy.

Hi,

Can you kindly expand on what concrete steps are expected? How can rapprochement be proceeded? What are KSA's grievances from Pakistan? Will SMQ's resignation be enough to pacify Saudis or PM IK should resign? Should PMLN be brought back and Nawaz Shareef be made PM?

 

[Scorpio]

Delay hoga , khtm nhi , US procurement ka masla ho skta hai in my opinion ,Chinese nhi , Abhi itnay bhi ghareeb ni hogye hum

Or numbers can be reduced from possible 2 sqr to 1

 

[farok84]

Or may be not announce at all, if further induction of these bird stopped due to back off sponsor...
Then what PAf do we only few of these birds

Hi,

In my opinion, it is highly unlikely that these (JH-7s and other Chinese platforms) were bought (even if they were/are being bought at all) with KSA's support. Chinese could have come up with a better arrangement, as they did, with KSA loan chapter. A strong Pakistan (militarily and economically) is far important to China. If PAF deemed such acquisitions to be necessary, Chinese will offer a way out to Pakistan.

This arm twisting by KSA (if they are doing it at all), should wide open our establishment eyes and wake them up from the euphoria of Ummah and non existent Islamic brotherhood theory.

 

[War Historian]

Hi,

In my opinion, it is highly unlikely that these (JH-7s and other Chinese platforms) were bought (even if they were/are being bought at all) with KSA's support. Chinese could have come up with a better arrangement, as they did, with KSA loan chapter. A strong Pakistan (militarily and economically) is far important to China. If PAF deemed such acquisitions to be necessary, Chinese will offer a way out to Pakistan.

This arm twisting by KSA (if they are doing it at all), should wide open our establishment eyes and wake them up from the euphoria of Ummah and non existent Islamic brotherhood theory.

Brother i agree with first paragraph of your post.
In second paragraph i dis agree, KSA is not twisting the arm. but if a country's FM talks against you and your country, will you continue favours for them?
Answer is big no. So that's they will act same like any one else.
First of all,We have to keep our house in order. Then we can stand with our friends and also then we can face the enemy in any shape.

 

[capricorn5192]

Hi,

In my opinion, it is highly unlikely that these (JH-7s and other Chinese platforms) were bought (even if they were/are being bought at all) with KSA's support. Chinese could have come up with a better arrangement, as they did, with KSA loan chapter. A strong Pakistan (militarily and economically) is far important to China. If PAF deemed such acquisitions to be necessary, Chinese will offer a way out to Pakistan.

Agreed, Chinese may give us a way out and also, hopefully, our Armed Forces have done some contingency planning beforehand for situations like these.

 

[BATMAN]

Updates are that SMQ has put all future acquisitions in jeopardy.

Master stroke from Indians, using Iranian tattoos.
If revelations of Kulbhoshan Yadeve had not educated security agencies of Pakistan, than there's no hope. At least non on Iran Khan and Bajwa.

 

[BATMAN]

Hi,

In my opinion, it is highly unlikely that these (JH-7s and other Chinese platforms) were bought (even if they were/are being bought at all) with KSA's support. Chinese could have come up with a better arrangement, as they did, with KSA loan chapter. A strong Pakistan (militarily and economically) is far important to China. If PAF deemed such acquisitions to be necessary, Chinese will offer a way out to Pakistan.

This arm twisting by KSA (if they are doing it at all), should wide open our establishment eyes and wake them up from the euphoria of Ummah and non existent Islamic brotherhood theory.

Who was twisting arm of PAF pilots on 27th February 2019?

And.... nothing comes for free if it isn't coming from Saudis.

Who stood by Rohingay? Who gave shelter to Syrians? Who give aid to Pakistan during calamities? Who came to the rescue of Pakistan economy, when IMF and China decided to show us red card. While Pakistan continue to export militants and spies to GCC to serve their Supreme lords.

 

[farok84]

In second paragraph i dis agree, KSA is not twisting the arm.

Hi,

Brother, we don't have any concrete evidence to KSA's arms twisting, that's why I said if they are. We are basing our discussion on presumed financial support of KSA for our recent military acquisitions from China and drawing conclusions based on such assumptions, these assumptions in entirety can be wrong.

But if KSA was financing these acquisitions and have now halted support, arm twisting is the least agonizing word to describe it, some will even argue the term blackmail describes it better and capture the essence of whole affair.

but if a country's FM talks against you and your country, will you continue favours for them?
Answer is big no. So that's they will act same like any one else.

That is completely valid, anyone will react that way. But SMQ statement was directed towards the ineptness of OIC and KSA's lack of support for Kashmir cause vis a vis Pakistan. It can be regarded as unwarranted criticism but is it something against KSA?

I don't think that SMQ's statement should be taken in isolation or in a vacuum. If he is saying something deemed against a country like KSA, it is with tacit support of PM's office and GHQ. I believe he's been made a escape goat, he was asked to say things which neither PM nor COAS can say directly, but wanted to convey. The way all the journalists (who are deemed close to establishment) have reacted to and covered his statement, tells a lot, specially if you go through their private Vlogs.

 

[Araz]

Whatever is cooking behind closed doors is definitely seems to some kind of stupidity which can effect our current and future relationship badly

If this was stupidity on SMQ'S part he would have been shown the door. There is a plan and a good cop bad cop situation being developed for reasons which remain unclear other than Pak polity looking for support on the Kashmir issue(seems very superficial for a cause ). There is something muvh more serious going on behind close doors and a tight lid is being kept on it. SMQ is a very smart gent and would not make a statement just like that without the go ahead from Hi up.
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[BATMAN]

Hi,

Can you kindly expand on what concrete steps are expected? How can rapprochement be proceeded? What are KSA's grievances from Pakistan? Will SMQ's resignation be enough to pacify Saudis or PM IK should resign? Should PMLN be brought back and Nawaz Shareef be made PM?

May i ask, why is it suddenly important to improve relations with GCC?
I was expecting Pakistani foreign office showing some steel and closing their embassies in GCC as next step.... don't you think Arabs must be taught lesson by calling back all the so called Pakistan slaves? Wouldn't that make Pakistan FO life easy in building new regional block?

Nawaz Sharif is surely coming back, at least this is verdict of the public in street, not even Iran can over turn it with it's 30% vote bank in Pakistan. but how can it be any solution in fixing relations with GCC?
I hope you know, only person from Pakistan, who's entry is banned in Saudi is NS and family.
It was during NS rule that GCC decided not to hand over aid to govt., instead they decided to execute public service projects them selves.
It was NS who decided to join Iran on Yemen and it was NS who kept his eyes closed on illegal border crossing at Taftan, which was a transit point of young men going to Iran for militancy training. Actually during Imran Khan's rule majority of those fighters are called back.

 

[Araz]

He needs a convenient scape-goat to blame for his failures + Has to make his Retard Mullah Masters in Tehran happy.

Let see if PA kicks him in the nuts, for good?

Let us wait and see. A move like that in the political world is always potentially dangerous. However your assessment about this coming from SMQ backed by the Irani Ayatullahs is wrong in my humble opinion. Something much more serious has happened behind the scene which is not known to us. But SMQ would have had guarantees to some effect from someone ottherwise a maverick/loose cannon like that gets shown the door straight away and SMQ is far too polished to do so.
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[BATMAN]

If this was stupidity on SMQ'S part he would have been shown the door. There is a plan and a good cop bad cop situation being developed for reasons which remain unclear other than Pak polity looking for support on the Kashmir issue(seems very superficial for a cause ). There is something muvh more serious going on behind close doors and a tight lid is being kept on it. SMQ is a very smart gent and would not make a statement just like that without the go ahead from Hi up.
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Common.. now you will say Imran Khan's praise for Iran in pre-election rallies was also part of Pakistan's foreign policy. Pakistan exporting militants from past one decade, to kill Arab civilians is also part of bad cop strategy!

How can Saudi Arabia help solve Kashmir dispute and why previous statements from OIC were not enough ?
India has scrapped UN instruments on Kashmir, some time ago... what statements SMQ made on security council?

BTW, who is the good cop? Zulfi Bukhari or Sheriyar Afridi? and bad cop policy also makes no sense.

Truth is Pakistan has been making anti Arab moves, ever since Zardari took over. While at home Pakistan got swarmed with terrorists like they are patronized by state it self. General Rahil Sharif cleaned up that part but this clown SMQ is back with his ways. He should have been declared persona non granta ever since he read Hinglish of Kerry Lugar bill, which was suppose to be drafted with his consultation.

 

[Araz]

Even if there is a tussle going on between pakistan and saudia arabia we should have avoided to make it public, it will always make the matters worse. Going public about it was a bad move imo. Calm down the situation and don't beg or expect anything from the impotent OIC.

If the grou d facts are known we can join the dots. I suspect Bajwa's visiit will see announcement of deferred oil arrangement resumption and possibly some more supportive statements from the Sauds. This is not a simple one way street and Pak establishment flexing its muscles is something interesting . We need to wait to see what comes out of Bajwa visit but the relationship is symbiotic and the Saudis will not topple the apple cart at this juncture. MBS could be part of the problem but there are deeper fissures here that need ironing out. The choice of Bajwa remains interesting and that too on Saudis request.
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[Araz]

Common.. now you will say Imran Khan's praise for Iran in election rallies was also part of Pakistan's foreign policy. Pakistan exporting militants to kill Arab civilians is also part of bad cop strategy!

How can Saudi Arabia help solve Kashmir dispute and why previous statements from OIC were not enough ?
India has scrapped scrap UN instruments on Kashmir, long ago... what statements SMQ made on security council?

Truth is Pakistan has been making anti Arab moves, ever since Zardari took over. While on home ground terrorists spread around like they are patronized by state. General Rahil Sharif cleaned it up that part but this clown SMQ is back with his ways. He should have been persona non granta ever since he read Hinglish of Kerry Lugar bill, which was suppose to be drafted with his consultation.

As I said wait for Bajwa visit.
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[Araz]

General Qamar Jawed Bajwa is visiting KSA soon. Who is ruling Pakistan?

Do you need an answer to that one!!!.
No I think the politically astute way was to send in Bajwa so if some talking has to be done it can be done with some authority. This is a bit more serious than a high school argument.
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