Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[PewPew]

Topic is being de-railed, although here is my input in doing that , WS-10 can't fit into Thunder due to it's bigger diameter and length. One can only dream for PAF planning to induct Medium Weight Thunder by 2023-24 as it's enough time i guess (?) just like Gripen turned to BlockC/D medium weight and the legendary tEjAs on papers has an MK2 which was showcased on Aero India 2019 as being a medium weight fighter. PAF must do that given that we fail to get a F-16 strength of atleast 110-125, it would be very competant force against india air force and their so-called mythy might would be nowhere seen. If we do get F-16s, then no need for further blocks of thunder, rather we must proceed of fast paced development of Project-AZM as well as consider J-31/TFX

The Gripen E/F and Tejas Mk2 are good examples of what the PAF can follow. It'd have to be a JF-17 Next Gen (in parallel to Azm, maybe as its low cost supplement) though since both the Tejas Mk2 and Gripen E/F involve extensive structural changes.

 

[space cadet]

I thought China was going to replace the J-15.

In July 2018, Lieutenant General Zhang Honghe of the PLAAF stated that China is developing a new carrier-based aircraft that will replace the J-15 due to four crashes and numerous technical problems. One problem with the aircraft is that it is the heaviest carrier-borne fighter in current operation with an empty weight of 17,500 kg compared to the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet's 14,600 kg (though it is less than the F-14 Tomcat's weight of 19,800 kg). Weight problems are compounded when operating off Liaoning, as its STOBAR launch and recovery method further limits payload capacity

 

[Gripen9]

I thought China was going to replace the J-15.

In July 2018, Lieutenant General Zhang Honghe of the PLAAF stated that China is developing a new carrier-based aircraft that will replace the J-15 due to four crashes and numerous technical problems. One problem with the aircraft is that it is the heaviest carrier-borne fighter in current operation with an empty weight of 17,500 kg compared to the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet's 14,600 kg (though it is less than the F-14 Tomcat's weight of 19,800 kg). Weight problems are compounded when operating off Liaoning, as its STOBAR launch and recovery method further limits payload capacity

It will most probably a derivative. esp, the folding wings mechanism removed as it is not needed.

 

[TomCat]

The Gripen E/F and Tejas Mk2 are good examples of what the PAF can follow. It'd have to be a JF-17 Next Gen (in parallel to Azm, maybe as its low cost supplement) though since both the Tejas Mk2 and Gripen E/F involve extensive structural changes.

But like i said, do we even need to do that? If this even materialises, will be by 2025, which means counting the operational life of around 25 +- years, 2050-2055, would 4++ still be even usefull in that decade? We can rather save up for 5th gen numbers and other unmanned projects

 

[TomCat]

J-11 progressed into J-16.

J-15 due to being a carrier borne a/c had to make some compromises. Without the carrier restrictions, it will be on par or better than the J-16.

What timeframe can we expect to see deliveries? Given that you mentioned it being a modified version and modifications takes time

 

[Mastankhan]

Hi

Gentlemen,

You heard it here. So, if there is truth to the news, then J15 can be made into a very capable naval air superiority and strike platform that meets the pak nay's requirements and Pakistan's strategic goals of striking mumbai with standoff weapons.

Why a naval platform, because that will break the enemy’s back, an aircraft capable of of carrying two heavy ashm or asm or loaded with 8 bvr missiles.

For naval air battles paf needed an aircraft that could carry a substantial number of missiles and this would do the job.

As for being carrier based, at first paf will get used to this aircraft and then possibly a JV with the chinese—-operate one jointly in the arabian seas / indian ocean.

I hope that the paf can also get around 36 JH7A11’s refurbished with new ew pkg and aesa radar for maybe 2 to 3 million a piece and have a combined extremely deadly naval air superiority and strike force.

 

[Mingle]

Hi

Gentlemen,

You heard it here. So, if there is truth to the news, then J15 can made into a very capable naval air superiority and strike platform.

Why a naval platform, because that will break the enemy, an aurcraft capable if of carrying two heavy ashm or asm or loaded with 8 bvr missiles.

Fir naval air battles paf needed an aircraft that could carry a substantial number of missiles.
And that would do the job.

As fir being carrier based, at first paf will get used to this aircraft and then possibly a JV with the chinese—-operate one jointly in the arabian seas / indian ocean.

I hope that the paf can also get around 36 JH7A11’s refurbished with new ew pkg and aesa radar for maybe 2 to 3 million a piece and have a combined extremely deadly naval air superiority and strike force.

I was thinking about JH7A it can lift the burden from PAF totally agree with U MK I hope 3Million per copy is realy cheap but very deadly

 

[Khafee]

Sir @Khafee , does PAF have a liking for TVC?

Not really, with it comes increased maintenance headaches.

 

[TomCat]

Not really, with it comes increased maintenance headaches.

Plus, China's TVC is still not at 100% operational level although much have they achieved apparently in the past couple of years and watching that J-10 with TVC had me like "pilot pe kia guzar rai hogi"

 

[AliYusuf]

I was thinking about JH7A it can lift the burden from PAF totally agree with U MK I hope 3Million per copy is realy cheap but very deadly

AESA itself will be costing around 3 to 5 mln USD a pop. I don't think refurbished & upgraded JH-7A will come less than 20 mln USD a pop. But even then ... it would be a steal.

However, I don't see that urgent a need for the JH-7A now because the J-15 after it's engine issues have been tweaked are a much better platform for what needs to be done. The J-15 will be coming at around 70-75 mln USD a piece. And 24 will be a good number to start with and to build the support infrastructure. PAF are most likely to prefer to go thru one new induction at a time, rather than going thru two new inductions at once.

 

[Khafee]

What timeframe can we expect to see deliveries? Given that you mentioned it being a modified version and modifications takes time

Some modifications are already here. Some will take time.

Right now its just on an MOU level. Once it moves fwd we will know more details.

 

[Mastankhan]

But 2028 is still 9 years off. Plus, it is extremely expensive to operate an aircraft carrier. Also, how prudent would it be to go for something now that would be justified after 9 years?

Hi

Paf can have a joint operational aircraft carrier in the arabian seas with the chinese.

 

[TomCat]

Some modifications are already here. Some will take time.

Right now its just on an MOU level. Once it moves fwd we will know more details.

Insha Allah, i really wish things go through as best in our fate. Details are'nt that necessary, just the name 'J-15' is enough to keep the neighbour Air force and NOW the navy at bay insha Allah. Hamesha jab koi aur country procurement karti hai , hum log hasrat bhari nigahon se dekhte reh jatay hain, it almost feels like the impossible to hear about new jets just like imagining to have a wife soon ???

 

[TomCat]

Hi

Paf can have a joint operational aircraft carrier in the arabian seas with the chinese.

China has 2 under construction while 4th will begin soon i guess.

 

[Mastankhan]

AESA itself will be costing around 3 to 5 mln USD a pop. I don't think refurbished & upgraded JH-7A will come less than 20 mln USD a pop. But even then ... it would be a steal.

However, I don't see that urgent a need for the JH-7A now because the J-15 after it's engine issues have been tweaked are a much better platform for what needs to be done. The J-15 will be coming at around 70-75 mln USD a piece. And 24 will be a good number to start with and to build the support infrastructure. PAF are most likely to prefer to go thru one new induction at a time, rather than going thru two new inductions at once.

Hi

Aesa maybe a little cheaper now but then with ocer 1500 tr modules it maybe 5 mil.

So start low and go higher 10 mil tops.

Cant beat the combo.