Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[TomCat]

When can we further expect to hear about additional F-16s and viper upgrades BTW? I really wish this thing starts to materialize by next year. It would be a tight slap to IAF and modi.

 

[Khafee]

AESA itself will be costing around 3 to 5 mln USD a pop. I don't think refurbished & upgraded JH-7A will come less than 20 mln USD a pop. But even then ... it would be a steal.

However, I don't see that urgent a need for the JH-7A now because the J-15 after it's engine issues have been tweaked are a much better platform for what needs to be done. The J-15 will be coming at around 70-75 mln USD a piece. And 24 will be a good number to start with and to build the support infrastructure. PAF are most likely to prefer to go thru one new induction at a time, rather than going thru two new inductions at once.

Sir, The US National Guard upgraded to APG-83 @US$3.38m per unit including radar + labor cost.

Northrop Grumman to upgrade F-16 radars - UPI.com

Northrop Grumman is to upgrade dozens of U.S. Air National Guard F-16s with APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar, the company announced this week.

www.upi.com

 

[Khafee]

Hi

Aesa maybe a little cheaper now but then with ocer 1500 tr modules it maybe 5 mil.

So start low and go higher 10 mil tops.

Cant beat the combo.

I dont think Chinese AESA with 1500tr will cost more than US$3m max. A more realistic figure would be US$2m ~ US$2.5m.

Note- Pure speculation on my part, given the price of an APG-83

 

[Gripen9]

What is this fascination with JH-7. It is a really old and basic design.

 

[TomCat]

What is this fascination with JH-7. It is a really old and basic design.

Surely you have never heard about its payload and potential

 

[Mastankhan]

What is this fascination with JH-7. It is a really old and basic design.

Price, utility, bang for the buck. Strike / bomber aurcraft never get old.

Just look at our mirage 3/5’s

 

[Mingle]

When can we further expect to hear about additional F-16s and viper upgrades BTW? I really wish this thing starts to materialize by next year. It would be a tight slap to IAF and modi.

New Govt is doing fine with US relations and peace process is back on track. I believe both Bajwa and IK has one consensus that Pak needs to strengthen her military mussle conventional way beacuse every time nuclear war rehotric put Pak on tough spot diplomatically. I hope we will get as many used and New airframes along V upgrades

 

[Mingle]

Price, utility, bang for the buck. Strike / bomber aurcraft never get old.

Just look at our mirage 3/5’s

Remember UK swordfish torpedo planes? whom crippled mighty Bismark they all were world war 1 design funny thing none of them shot down by Germans all escaped

 

[AliYusuf]

Sir, The US National Guard upgraded to APG-83 @US$3.38m per unit including radar + labor cost.

Northrop Grumman to upgrade F-16 radars - UPI.com

Northrop Grumman is to upgrade dozens of U.S. Air National Guard F-16s with APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar, the company announced this week.

www.upi.com

Agreed. But APG-83 is an Air Cooled replace and plug-In design for the Vipers. Getting in a liquid cooled AESA on an old JH-7A may take a bit more work. Because redoing the wirings and connectivities for the old JL-10A radar already equipping the JH-7A may require more work and paraphernalia to switch in a potent AESA system. Also I just gave a ball park range. Yeah it could be cheaper, but the size and performance we are looking for may cost slightly more.

 

[Khafee]

Agreed. But APG-83 is an Air Cooled replace and plug-In design for the Vipers. Getting in a liquid cooled AESA on an old JH-7A may take a bit more work. Because redoing the wirings and connectivities for the old JL-10A radar already equipping the JH-7A may require more work and paraphernalia to switch in a potent AESA system. Also I just gave a ball park range. Yeah it could be cheaper, but the size and performance we are looking for may cost slightly more.

Well said ?

 

[HRK]

J-15 has quite a huge RCS,

Yaap some even claim RCS value uto 15m²

 

[AliYusuf]

Yaap some even claim RCS value uto 15m²

I am a bit skeptical about the RCS part, as China has sought to reduce the RCS of most of the other Chinese built flankers. So Logic dictates that some RCS reduction measures may have been applied on the "Flying Shark " (its Chinese nickname) as well.

 

[HRK]

I am a bit skeptical about the RCS part, as China has sought to reduced the RCS of most of the other Chinese built flankers. So Logic dictates that some RCS reduction measures may have been applied on the "Flying Shark " (its Chinese nickname) as well.

Most contribution of RCS come from air intakes of Su-27 derivatives, as intakes does not cover engine blade, Russian tried to mitigate this problem by applying RAM coatings at air intakes.

As you noted Chinese also applied RCS control measure to their Su derivatives and the best of these efforts is visible with J-16 aircraft which also have RAM coating on it but the final value of RCS of J-16 is not known some says its 5m² some even claim lower than this value

 

[AliYusuf]

Most contribution of RCS come from air intakes of Su-27 derivatives, as intakes does not cover engine blade, Russian tried to mitigate this problem by applying RAM coatings at air intakes.

As you noted Chinese also applied RCS control measure to their Su derivatives and the best of these efforts is visible with J-16 aircraft which also have RAM coating on it but the final value of RCS of J-16 is not known some says its 5m² some even claim lower than this value

So no reason to think no such measures were taken for the J-15? Also knowing the PAF, it may not have agreed for it otherwise. But lets wait & see what the reality is.

 

[AliYusuf]

J-15 (Flying Shark).