Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[HRK]

So no reason to think no such measures were taken for the J-15? Also knowing the PAF, it may not have agreed for it otherwise. But lets wait & see what the reality is.

J-16 is relatively new attrition in J-xx series with lot of improvements and yes J-15 also receives improvement but no reliable figure related to it available

 

[Mingle]

J-15 (Flying Shark).
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Any cockpit pics??

 

[TomCat]

J-15 was based on SU-33 when a prototype was bought from Ukraine. Initially it used Russian engines as the chinese engines were not reliable and had issues on sea. China wanted a plane similar to F-18.

J-15 comes with WS-10 enignes which we might also see on Jf-17 Blk 3.......So what does J-15 brings and what benefits would it have?
Twin engine, heavier payload, more range. And since its based on SU-33 and used on China's aircraft carriers, so it would be able to take off from short runways.

It would be interesting to know if PAF will also be getting J-15D EW variant which is similar to F-18 Growler. Off course the jets would have lots of PAF specific modifications.

This would serve as stop gap planes before arrival of Project Azm and would most likely be stationed in Karachi or Gawadar.

I guess this is the reason that we specifically opted for J-15 as it doesnt carry any Russian copyrights/No-Futher exports issue?

 

[Mingle]

I guess this is the reason that we specifically opted for J-15 as it doesnt carry any Russian copyrights/No-Futher exports issue?

Engines???

 

[TomCat]

Engines???

WS-10

 

[Mingle]

WS-10

Would be great addition in our Navy I hope now F16s

 

[AliYusuf]

Would be great addition in our Navy I hope now F16s

Insaan kissi haal mein mutmayeen nahi hota.


Hope we get JH-7A too.
Meri bhi khwahishen hein.

 

[Mingle]

Insaan kissi haal mein mutmayeen nahi hota.


Hope we get JH-7A too.
Meri bhi khwahishen hein.

I am always Viper lover my take is with CSF money we will get F16 not sure when it settled down but as @Khafee said under consideration let's hope we will get new Vipers along old one. Time for Navy to have her own fighter wing

 

[AliYusuf]

I am always Viper lover my take is with CSF money we will get F16 not sure when it settled down but as @Khafee said under consideration let's hope we will get new Vipers along old one. Time for Navy to have her own fighter wing

I am a Viper lover too. I am also hoping we get the Block-70/72. But at the same time I have gnawing feeling that tells me it's going to get called off at the last moment. Lets wait & see what happens.

 

[Mingle]

I am a Viper lover too. I am also hoping we get the Block-70/72. But at the same time I have gnawing feeling that tells me it's going to get called off at the last moment. Lets wait & see what happens.

We still need western tech to counter Rafale if no Vipers then IK s Susrals UK with EF jetts I don't see any issue along good terms in financing

 

[PewPew]

We still need western tech to counter Rafale if no Vipers then IK s Susrals UK with EF jetts I don't see any issue along good terms in financing

If new off-the-shelf fighters don't come, the focus will shift to high-end SAM systems and new ISR assets.

The CSF and FMF components probably can't cover more than 50% of a robust F-16 package (36 Block-72 and F-16V upgrades for our entire fleet will run up to $6 b easily). So, at least half that will be our own funding.

If there are no F-16s or Typhoons in play, then we'll probably talk to Turkey to get in on their joint-project with MBDA/Eurosam, i.e., SIPER.

On top of that, I can see the PAF going for the Saab GlobalEye or Erieye ER in order to give the JF-17 a massive network-enabled warfare boost, plus some stand-off range jammers, refueling aircraft, etc.

Relatively speaking, you can get quite a few support assets...e.g., Saab's GlobalEye costs $250-300 m per plane; stand-off jammer via Turkey might run $75-125 m per plane; a KC-390 with 15 years support package is around $200 m per plane, a A330 MRTT is $250-300 m.

For $3 bn, we can stock up on 3 new GlobalEye AEW&C, 3 new jamming aircraft, 6-8 KC-390 MRTTs OR 3 A330 MRTTs.

That said, new F-16s or not, upgrading the current ones is definitely on the cards. I can't see the PAF sitting pat on this one, it's just the natural outcome of things and they might even break the rules (e.g., get the Turkish program) to get it done if the US drags its feet. As we get closer to Project Azm and have more JF-17 Block-3s in the fleet, the care for US sanctions will wane.

 

[Mastankhan]

We still need western tech to counter Rafale if no Vipers then IK s Susrals UK with EF jetts I don't see any issue along good terms in financing

Hi,

The coming BLK3 & the current BLK52's is to counter the Rafale--.

The J15---if we are getting is for a different purpose---.

Always keep our geography in mind as compared to the enemy's---. Tactically we are in a position to encircle them and neuter their assets with proper equipment---.

With 3 sqdrn's of J15's and 4 sqdrn's of JH7A's---we can decimate the enemy asstes on the coastline cities from the kutch border to mumbai---and with air to surface Babur cruise missile version---we can play havoc with enemy assets---and we can do all that staying at around 200 miles away from the enemy dry land---and we can launch them in so many different directions at so many different cities of the enemy---.

And if our pilots get the opportunity to get closer to the land---the standoff weapons will reach farther inside of enemy's soul and obliterate it---.

 

[PewPew]

Hi,

The coming BLK3 & the current BLK52's is to counter the Rafale--.

The J15---if we are getting is for a different purpose---.

Always keep our geography in mind as compared to the enemy's---. Tactically we are in a position to encircle them and neuter their assets with proper equipment---.

With 3 sqdrn's of J15's and 4 sqdrn's of JH7A's---we can decimate the enemy asstes on the coastline cities from the kutch border to mumbai---and with air to surface Babur cruise missile version---we can play havoc with enemy assets---and we can do all that staying at around 200 miles away from the enemy dry land---and we can launch them in so many different directions at so many different cities of the enemy---.

And if our pilots get the opportunity to get closer to the land---the standoff weapons will reach farther inside of enemy's soul and obliterate it---.

The PN is also working on a nifty littoral defence program too. It's trying to localize the construction of the FAC(M), and I think it'll follow-up the FAC(M) with an improved variant with supersonic-cruising missiles. On top of that, there's the miniature diesel-electric submarine program, and I believe we'll likely see a design with at least 2 tubes for heavyweight torpedoes. It can construct both in numbers thanks to lower unit costs.

You combine dozens of shallow water assets like those with a fleet of JF-17s with subsonic AShMs and a miniature BM in the CM-400AKG, plus some other fighter wielding a supersonic AShM (and I think JF-17 will pick one up too), you'd have to think a few times before entering our waters.

 

[MystryMan]

Su-35 - Seems you have not been following this thread.

yes. I have been busy with my work. so not read all posts.

 

[MystryMan]

One thing that can be openly disclosed for now, is that it will be tailor made for PAF, so Avionics, EW, Engine will all be better than what PLAAF flies right now.

We should also have 10-12 Growler versions of J15 for escort of strike package.