Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[Mastankhan]

Here is another video around 8:00 time---speed not necessary anymore

 

[Cookie Monster]

You see - this is why its important to develop own tech. Reliance on any other nation, be it Chinese, is not always recommended.

Chinese haven't shied away from giving Pak some of their latest and greatest avionics. I don't think the issue is China holding back on its AESA radar option...in fact they have been pitching a few different configurations of KLJ7A to PAF. I think the hold up might be from Pak's side. The problem with Chinese radar would be that it wouldn't work with western avionics or munitions(IMO more importantly munitions).

On the flip side Leonardo's Grifo E AESA is also available for PAF...but it poses the same problem of being incompatible with Chinese avionics and munitions.

If however PAF domestically develops its own radar with Chinese help...then PAF would be in control on the software side...which means Pak will be able to integrate Chinese and Western origin munitions on its block III.

 

[Hasssan]

Assuming there was no issue of use of either type of munition with either radar dont you think PAF would have opted for Grifo E a while ago?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Assuming there was no issue of use of either type of munition with either radar dont you think PAF would have opted for Grifo E a while ago?

It is highly unlikely that western origin munitions would work with Chinese radars or western radars would work with Chinese munitions.

The reason is lack of trust for the most part. For example Gripens(Swedish) can use AIM 120(American) or Meteor or even the A Darter(South African) if they want...bcuz all parties involved are generally on the same side...or at least there isn't a chance that they might find themselves on opposing end at some point. The same isn't true for Chinese and Americans(and therefore by extension the western European allies of US).

In order for a radar to pass off its target information(whether lock on before launch or lock on after launch...or for midcourse correction)...the radar needs to be able to communicate with that missile. Therefore it is highly unlikely that the Western countries or the Chinese will let the other party(or anyone for that matter) use/see the source codes of their radar...so that the other's munitions can be integrated.

If however Pakistan developed its own radar...the possibility of being able to use both eastern and western munitions is significantly higher.

 

[MystryMan]

@Khafee . Sir, can we move the J15 related posts to a new thread?

 

[Khafee]

@Khafee . Sir, can we move the J15 related posts to a new thread?

Sure go ahead start one!

 

[Khafee]

Alright people we have a dedicated J15 thread

Acquisition of J-15 for PAF- Air Superiority & Deep Strike Platfrom

The dedicated thread for J15 acquisition-related discussion is here. members are requested to use this thread for further discussion. @Khafee @Mastankhan @Mingle @AliYusuf @PewPew @Signalian @Zeeman @Cookie Monster @TomCat @Wolf-PK @Gripen9 @HRK @TsAr @loanranger @Defence_reader

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[Counter-Errorist]

Chinese haven't shied away from giving Pak some of their latest and greatest avionics. I don't think the issue is China holding back on its AESA radar option...in fact they have been pitching a few different configurations of KLJ7A to PAF. I think the hold up might be from Pak's side. The problem with Chinese radar would be that it wouldn't work with western avionics or munitions(IMO more importantly munitions).

We probably thought the same about the US back in the 80s when we were getting our F16s. You never know when and how things could get sour with the Chinese. We need to always work under the impression that in whatever war, we will fight alone. Any ally that shows up is a bonus.

 

[Khafee]

We probably thought the same about the US back in the 80s when we were getting our F16s. You never know when and how things could get sour with the Chinese. We need to always work under the impression that in whatever war, we will fight alone. Any ally that shows up is a bonus.

The Vipers, actually showing up has a lot to do with Gen Zia being strong headed. His historic words to Jimmy Carter "Keep your peanuts", will always be remembered.

Albiet they did show up without SAR capability initially.

 

[TomCat]

The Vipers, actually showing up has a lot to do with Gen Zia being strong headed. His historic words to Jimmy Carter "Keep your peanuts", will always be remembered.

Albiet the did show up without SAR capability initially.

Really nice to see an admirer here.

sir @Khafee and @Signalian, during an aerial engagement, let’s say, 2 fighters are in direct engagement, they are out of No-Escape-Zone of each other, a fighter decides to turn its back and run away. Now here is my question, while running back at full speed (afterburners not counted), 2 situations
1 - A constant, straight path, with minimal deviation and altitude change
2 - Constant minor turns, ascends/descends

What case scenerio gives the other fighter who is still pursuing the running away aircraft advantage to have a lock on him? How does type of radar affect this situation (PESA / Pulse Doppler / AESA). Does Afterburners increase the chance of getting under the nose of IRST? Does Rear RCS have a huge play in this?

 

[Mastankhan]

We probably thought the same about the US back in the 80s when we were getting our F16s. You never know when and how things could get sour with the Chinese. We need to always work under the impression that in whatever war, we will fight alone. Any ally that shows up is a bonus.

hi

if things go sour with china then it would be the end if us as a nation.

we already knew about the americans in the 80’s that the sanctions would be coming.

it was no secret. I have written about it fir years.

the only one who did mot believe it were the PAF generals.

now for the delay in aesa—-there are some critical technlogies that are maturing that are causing the delay—-so technically nothing to worry about.

the Blk 3 can be released with the conventional radar and that wont effect us much. Is that right Khafee?

paf has already chosen what they want on the blk 3, but we wont find out till we get the aircraft.

also please check out the jf17 video i posted above—-some very interesting information in it.

 

[PewPew]

hi

if things go sour with china then it would be the end if us as a nation.

we already knew about the americans in the 80’s that the sanctions would be coming.

it was no secret. I have written about it fir years.

the only one who did mot believe it were the PAF generals.

now for the delay in aesa—-there are some critical technlogies that are maturing that are causing the delay—-so technically nothing to worry about.

the Blk 3 can be released with the conventional radar and that wont effect us much. Is that right Khafee?

paf has already chosen what they want on the blk 3, but we wont find out till we get the aircraft.

also please check out the jf17 video i posted above—-some very interesting information in it.

China needs Pakistan to relieve pressure from US containment in the Pacific. There are rumblings on both sides, but the ties cannot falter right now due to one common factor at hand, India. Had Delhi not embraced Washington so openly and brazenly, Sino-Pak ties might actually be in trouble today, but thanks to Delhi's haste, there's a cold, rational reason for Sino-Pak cooperation.

 

[Mingle]

China needs Pakistan to relieve pressure from US containment in the Pacific. There are rumblings on both sides, but the ties cannot falter right now due to one common factor at hand, India. Had Delhi not embraced Washington so openly and brazenly, Sino-Pak ties might actually be in trouble today, but thanks to Delhi's haste, there's a cold, rational reason for Sino-Pak cooperation.

Indians are stupid to core just to bully Pak they miss a great opportunity having good relation with Pak and China would help india a great way both energy and economic. They begging literally to west for help in current economic meltdown in india but not ready to mend fence With Pak and China

 

[PewPew]

Indians are stupid to core just to bully Pak they miss a great opportunity having good relation with Pak and China would help india a great way both energy and economic. They begging literally to west for help in current economic meltdown in india but not ready to mend fence With Pak and China

There was a point in time where India and Pakistan were actually both opposed to China. If not for India's belligerence (i.e., its annexation of Kashmir, Hyderabad-Deccan, Junagadh), that might have been the case. In other words, the loose collection of South Asian states might have stood against the Chinese. But that wasn't going to happen. It's my belief that only one nation can ultimately rule South Asia: the top Hindu castes OR Muslims. India's actions have proven as much.

 

[Mingle]

There was a point in time where India and Pakistan were actually both opposed to China. If not for India's belligerence (i.e., its annexation of Kashmir, Hyderabad-Deccan, Junagadh), that might have been the case. In other words, the loose collection of South Asian states might have stood against the Chinese. But that wasn't going to happen. It's my belief that only one nation can ultimately rule South Asia: the top Hindu castes OR Muslims. India's actions have proven as much.

Yeh I agree but I still believe that future of India as economic giant can only be achieved with energy security as Indian petroleum minister Mani shanker once said Pak is india s energy security means Iran and TAPI gas pipe lines and trade with China and Pak. I believe sooner or later india will come at this point this Modi jingoizm won't go long.