Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[TomCat]

That's the Gatling gun.

Ohh, totally forgot about that...

 

[TomCat]

Btw, those who might be interested, here is a rare pic of a Blk60 with the IRST open

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https://world-defense.com/media/f16-blk60.332/full

Our Block 52s dont have IRST right? Are they relevant for us? Given the short range of IRST

 

[HRK]

Very very costly solution

Exactly this is what many of our friends failed to realize that 32-36 secondhand Typhoon fighter jets of Tranche -1 or 2 are not going to deliver the qualitative edge to PAF against IAF in any future aerial confrontation in the presences of Rafale with AESA radar, long range Meteor BVR missile, supported by upgraded Su-30MKI with powerful PESA radar and new long range air to air missiles

 

[PewPew]

The good thing about not buying any off-the-shelf fighters is that it saves a dollar (or like $4-5 billion dollars) for the development of Project Azm.

It's not ideal (as we'll have to wait again for a sufficiently capable fighter), but we can learn a few lessons from China when it was developing the J-10 and J-11B. Invest in a new generation of ballistic missiles; new rocket technology, smaller sizes, atmospheric maneuverability, etc.

We also have the JF-17, which -- especially if equipped with the right munitions and support assets -- should create an effective defensive wall. Paired with a new set of BMs, LACMs, and supersonic cruise missiles (SSCM), we should be OK until Project Azm comes alive.

 

[Mingle]

@Khafee IK going France for two days visit next month PIA is purchasing 5 planes per yr for three to 4 years span adding another 20 or more planes in fleet anything for military??

 

[Mastankhan]

Hi,

I don't know where the JF17 thread went---. Awhile ago I posted my article on the Jf 17 and suggested that the gun pod may be removed and in its placee a FUEL TANK ADDED---or the rear seat removed from the BLK B and a fuel tank and OBOGS be added.

I was just watching this video on an old aircraft---it had two cannons---the swedes removed one and added a fuel tank in its place---watch the video---at around 6:00 mark---

 

[PewPew]

Hi,

I don't know where the JF17 thread went---. Awhile ago I posted my article on the Jf 17 and suggested that the gun pod may be removed and in its placee a FUEL TANK ADDED---or the rear seat removed from the BLK B and a fuel tank and OBODS be added.

I was just watching this video on an old aircraft---it had two cannons---the swedes removed one and added a fuel tank in its place---watch the video---at around 6:00 mark---

The Draken was the finalist for the PAF's post-1965 rebuild. The Mirage III/5 won out because Sweden was spooked by the East Pakistan situation. If not for our collective stupidity (East & West), we could've stationed 100+ Drakens on both sides by the mid-1970s.

 

[Mastankhan]

The Draken was the finalist for the PAF's post-1965 rebuild. The Mirage III/5 won out because Sweden was spooked by the East Pakistan situation. If not for our collective stupidity (East & West), we could've stationed 100+ Drakens on both sides by the mid-1970s.

Hi,

The swedes are a class act---way ahead of anyone---thanks to the swedes for giving us the JF17---.

Check out this video at 5:50 see those two liitle wheels in the back to prevent tail striking the runway

 

[Mastankhan]

The good thing about not buying any off-the-shelf fighters is that it saves a dollar (or like $4-5 billion dollars) for the development of Project Azm.

It's not ideal (as we'll have to wait again for a sufficiently capable fighter), but we can learn a few lessons from China when it was developing the J-10 and J-11B. Invest in a new generation of ballistic missiles; new rocket technology, smaller sizes, atmospheric maneuverability, etc.

We also have the JF-17, which -- especially if equipped with the right munitions and support assets -- should create an effective defensive wall. Paired with a new set of BMs, LACMs, and supersonic cruise missiles (SSCM), we should be OK until Project Azm comes alive.

Hi,

Project AZM is too far away---. A nation has to survive today and come out ahead rather than depending on something that would be coming out around 10 plus years from now---.

 

[PewPew]

Hi,

Project AZM is too far away---. A nation has to survive today and come out ahead rather than depending on something that would be coming out around 10 plus years from now---.

We need a fighter, I agree, but if it can't occur for whatever reason, then we need to work on the next best thing.

This is where next-generation ballistic missiles can make a difference. Developing something similar to the Iskander SRBM would equip our Army with a complete missile set from 20 km, 40 km and 100 km MLRS to a 280 km SRBM (that can maneuver before releasing the warhead) to a 700+ km LACM -- it goes without saying we should work on extending the range of the LACMs too.

Likewise, it's high time to work on integrating the Ra'ad and Ra'ad II to the JF-17, and add something like Raptor III and SOM to enable the conventional deep-strike element.

 

[Caprxl]

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5. EF - Maybe

Hahaha, Come on, you sir won't let it go completely .
Somewhere, somehow always EF make up its way in that list ( maybe )of yours

 

[Mastankhan]

We need a fighter, I agree, but if it can't occur for whatever reason, then we need to work on the next best thing.

This is where next-generation ballistic missiles can make a difference. Developing something similar to the Iskander SRBM would equip our Army with a complete missile set from 20 km, 40 km and 100 km MLRS to a 280 km SRBM (that can maneuver before releasing the warhead) to a 700+ km LACM -- it goes without saying we should work on extending the range of the LACMs too.

Likewise, it's high time to work on integrating the Ra'ad and Ra'ad II to the JF-17, and add something like Raptor III and SOM to enable the conventional deep-strike element.

Hi,

I like you so far---. This is war---you need to think different---you need to think on your feet---you need to learn to stop on a dime and change direction---. You cannot depend on surface launch missiles---they never solve the prolem.

Air superiority is a great thing to have---but it is not the only thing in itself---. Situational awareness and geography plays an extremely vital role---.

The BVR combat and the range of BVR missiles brings a lots of confusion to the air combat---and this confusion creates indecision---you get bogged down into the enemy's bvr missile range to our missile range---.

But smart and canny operator would start to think out of the box and would want to find ways to outsmart and out maneuver the enemy...

Jalal ud Din caught the mongol army in a narrow pass at Pansjsher valley I believe or somewhere closeby in that region---the mongols were great horsemen---the narrow valley did not give them much room to move around on their horses---Jalal asked his troops to dismount and shoot at the army from the ground---. Standing on the ground---gave better footing to the archer and the enemy suffered---.

This conflict became a major victory for Jalal ud Din---because he saw the geography and used it to his advantage---.

In a similar manner our geography of gwadar pasni gives us a great advantage over the enemy---.

First of all---when the aircraft takes off and flies straight down over arabian sea---the enemy awacs cannot pickup our aircraft---. If our aircraft keep flying about 500 miles parallel to enemy coastline and stay below 1000 1500 ft---they will be very difficult to detect---next to impossible.

Now if the enemy aircraft take off---we will know where they are headed---so our aircraft are flying parallel to indian coastline---enemy aircrafts take off to intercept our aircraft---they will T bone our aircraft---that makes a T---is that right---now we can launch our aircraft from karachi and hit the enemy aircraft in the flank.

Can some one draw what I am saying

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

@Khafee ...... bro plz check with you source as it seems F-16 blk-70/72 deal also fell through as LM has increased the price and Americans are not releasing some of the critical technology(ies) related to blk-70/72

This is the latest rumor / hearsay / unconfirmed report (whatever one would like to call it), I came to know about

What will the likely course of action be for the PAF IF it becomes clear that no more F16s blk70/72 are coming? What would the plan B be in such a situation?

Even if the blk70/72 aren't coming, will it change the upgrade plans to V for the current fighters in inventory? What about purchasing used ones and upgrading them?

Any guesses?

We need a fighter, I agree, but if it can't occur for whatever reason, then we need to work on the next best thing.

This is where next-generation ballistic missiles can make a difference. Developing something similar to the Iskander SRBM would equip our Army with a complete missile set from 20 km, 40 km and 100 km MLRS to a 280 km SRBM (that can maneuver before releasing the warhead) to a 700+ km LACM -- it goes without saying we should work on extending the range of the LACMs too.

Likewise, it's high time to work on integrating the Ra'ad and Ra'ad II to the JF-17, and add something like Raptor III and SOM to enable the conventional deep-strike element.

Ballistic missiles and such are not a direct substitute for fighter jets. Yes, they can perform many tasks a jet can - but can you imagine 27feb like scenario and instead of using fighters on the Indian military command in Kashmir we'd used B missiles?


The weaker our AF is the more likely we are to be forced into using ballistic and cruise missiles. Can you imagine the risk behind such a move? I personally don't see our military going that route to reply sue to the risks - but with fighter jets they could.

We don't want to have to ever use ballistic missiles and such in a normal conflict. The only way to ensure we don't have to is to have a strong fighter force.

As DGISPR said - we should look towards strategies that increase options for us with every move. Ballistic missiles would do the opposite.

 

[HRK]

What will the likely course of action be for the PAF IF it becomes clear that no more F16s blk70/72 are coming? What would the plan B be in such a situation?

Even if the blk70/72 aren't coming, will it change the upgrade plans to V for the current fighters in inventory? What about purchasing used ones and upgrading them?

Any guesses?

I have no idea but IF what is rumoured is true than I think upgrade for existing fleet to V-standard would also be denied to PAF

As for next plan of action I it think would be logical to go for more JF-17 blk-III specially for blk-III B in EW and strike configurations, in addition to this we might try to explore options available in Chinese

Here note little clarification this is just my understanding of the situation, which might be totally wrong as I do not have any source other than information available in open sources

 

[BATMAN]

Exactly this is what many of our friends failed to realize that 32-36 secondhand Typhoon fighter jets of Tranche -1 or 2 are not going to deliver the qualitative edge to PAF against IAF in any future aerial confrontation in the presences of Rafale with AESA radar, long range Meteor BVR missile, supported by upgraded Su-30MKI with powerful PESA radar and new long range air to air missiles

You are free to believe anything but, jF-17 can shoot Rafael out of sky, be it a net eccentric air battle or a dog fight!

All a/c classified in certain generation are more or less similarly capable, while battle is planned and played be people.