Pakistan Gets F16 -Blk70/72

[HRK]

You are free to believe anything but, jF-17 can shoot Rafael out of sky, be it a net eccentric air battle or a dog fight!

All a/c classified in certain generation are more or less similarly capable, while battle is planned and played be people.

I have not talked about JF-17 blk-3, so read my post in the context in which it is posted

 

[Khafee]

Hahaha, Come on, you sir won't let it go completely .
Somewhere, somehow always EF make up its way in that list ( maybe )of yours

Why dont you ask the Italians whats going on with the AW101 and EFT ?

 

[TomCat]

Why dont you ask the Italians whats going on with the AW101 and EFT ?

OOhhhhh, but you said the chapter is closed.Is AW101 for navy or AF ? Why would Italy try to sell a bigger item with partner-ship strings (EF) just to sell 4-6 Helis
But if that's the case, our acquisition guys have hold of italy directly from the throat, "sell us this, we will buy your helis"

 

[Khafee]

OOhhhhh, but you said the chapter is closed.Is AW101 for navy or AF ? Why would Italy try to sell a bigger item with partner-ship strings (EF) just to sell 4-6 Helis
But if that's the case, our acquisition guys have hold of italy directly from the throat, "sell us this, we will buy your helis"

PAF pulled back because of financial constraints, this has been repeated plenty of times on this thread. Why is this so difficult to understand?

EFT has nothing to do with the helis. The Sea Kings need to be replaced.

 

[CHI RULES]

PAF pulled back because of financial constraints, this has been repeated plenty of times on this thread. Why is this so difficult to understand?

EFT has nothing to do with the helis. The Sea Kings need to be replaced.

Sir what you think when and how PAF shall come out of box and get another capable platform, perhaps recent apart from financial constraints the recent skirmish has created some sort of self praise and over confidence in PAF and defense officials. Meanwhile IAF has taken some immediate steps like induction of better range BVRs from Russia and Israel. Meanwhile Rafael supply is started yet respectable people of PAF like Mr Shahid Lateef even trying to prove our existing F16s and JF17 block 2 to be better than Rafael. If PAF/Govt can't take right steps then they have no right to portray the capabilities they don't have.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Meanwhile Rafael supply is started yet respectable people of PAF like Mr Shahid Lateef even trying to prove our existing F16s and JF17 block 2 to be better than Rafael. If PAF/Govt can't take right steps then they have no right to portray the capabilities they don't have.

No one who understands capabilities of these aircrafts seriously believes that our F16s or JF17s are better than the Rafale.

AM Shahid Lateef said that we're prepared for Rafale. The machines are just cogs in a much larger system. And our system of air warfare is still on par with IAF with its Rafales.

 

[Khafee]

@Khafee IK going France for two days visit next month PIA is purchasing 5 planes per yr for three to 4 years span adding another 20 or more planes in fleet anything for military??

PIA has serious Mgmt issues, it needs acid cleaning. New aircrafts should not come in, till the mgmt / admin is acid cleaned.

 

[TomCat]

Sir what you think when and how PAF shall come out of box and get another capable platform, perhaps recent apart from financial constraints the recent skirmish has created some sort of self praise and over confidence in PAF and defense officials. Meanwhile IAF has taken some immediate steps like induction of better range BVRs from Russia and Israel. Meanwhile Rafael supply is started yet respectable people of PAF like Mr Shahid Lateef even trying to prove our existing F16s and JF17 block 2 to be better than Rafael. If PAF/Govt can't take right steps then they have no right to portray the capabilities they don't have.

I second your first 2 lines in relation to over hype and confidence. We must keep our self-praise in control just to wait for the day india might down ours as well. Aerial combat is either win, MAYDAY or strategic retreat (Lose).

We are just obsessed with comparing fighters rather capabilities. What India pose threat to us is the capabilities Rafale is offering, not the jet itself. Remove Meteor, AESA and SCALP from Rafale and it's a sitting duck, even F-7 can pose a threat to it in that case.

Note down technological advantages of the adversary, consider them as separate entities, note down the possible strategies and solutions available to implement them, go for the procurement. This is what PAF does i believe.

Rafale - poses a threat in terms of AESA and Meteor and possibly Exocet.
MKIs - KH-59, Brahmos, R-77 (?)
Tejas Samosa - Deep Fried items are unhealthy for health
QAHER F-313 - Super Stealth, Raptor, J-20, T-50 Killer, can shoot down our fighter from opposite end of globe.
SAEGAH - We all know what threat it possess

These are the threats.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

QAHER F-313 - Super Stealth, Raptor, J-20, T-50 Killer, can shoot down our fighter from opposite end of globe.

 

[AliYusuf]

QAHER F-313 - Super Stealth, Raptor, J-20, T-50 Killer, can shoot down our fighter from opposite end of globe.

Nice theme for a video game plot. Because that's the only place were this piece of junk & make belief will fly.

 

[Lieutenant]

What would be the range of the AN/APG-83 radar?

 

[aliraza]

Btw, those who might be interested, here is a rare pic of a Blk60 with the IRST open

View attachment 11200

https://world-defense.com/media/f16-blk60.332/full

all the humanity such a beast this bird is

 

[AliYusuf]

What would be the range of the AN/APG-83 radar?

APG-83 -->120 km for 1m² RCS target i.e. approx 180 km for 5m² RCS target.
APG-80 -->150 km for 1m² RCS target i.e. approx 225 km for 5m² RCS target.
But these are from online sources and may not be reliable at all.

 

[Wingless]

Then go for EF

Hi,

I like you so far---. This is war---you need to think different---you need to think on your feet---you need to learn to stop on a dime and change direction---. You cannot depend on surface launch missiles---they never solve the prolem.

Air superiority is a great thing to have---but it is not the only thing in itself---. Situational awareness and geography plays an extremely vital role---.

The BVR combat and the range of BVR missiles brings a lots of confusion to the air combat---and this confusion creates indecision---you get bogged down into the enemy's bvr missile range to our missile range---.

But smart and canny operator would start to think out of the box and would want to find ways to outsmart and out maneuver the enemy...

Jalal ud Din caught the mongol army in a narrow pass at Pansjsher valley I believe or somewhere closeby in that region---the mongols were great horsemen---the narrow valley did not give them much room to move around on their horses---Jalal asked his troops to dismount and shoot at the army from the ground---. Standing on the ground---gave better footing to the archer and the enemy suffered---.

This conflict became a major victory for Jalal ud Din---because he saw the geography and used it to his advantage---.

In a similar manner our geography of gwadar pasni gives us a great advantage over the enemy---.

First of all---when the aircraft takes off and flies straight down over arabian sea---the enemy awacs cannot pickup our aircraft---. If our aircraft keep flying about 500 miles parallel to enemy coastline and stay below 1000 1500 ft---they will be very difficult to detect---next to impossible.

Now if the enemy aircraft take off---we will know where they are headed---so our aircraft are flying parallel to indian coastline---enemy aircrafts take off to intercept our aircraft---they will T bone our aircraft---that makes a T---is that right---now we can launch our aircraft from karachi and hit the enemy aircraft in the flank.

Can some one draw what I am saying

Hi mastan khan.
The city of karachi is about 24 nm from indian maritime border. Add to that, 227 miles distance of karachi to pasni. Then, to avoid detection, the lo-lo-lo mission profile aircraft must be atleast launching cruise missiles outside EEZ, about 200nm. Then, mumbai is further 400 to 500 nm from maritime border. Can you please enlighten us with the viable choice of aircrafts which can perform this mission?
Atleast Jh-7A is out as it has no air-to-air refueling.

 

[BATMAN]

I have not talked about JF-17 blk-3, so read my post in the context in which it is posted

I used word jF-17.
I meant even jF-17 can be used to knockout Rafael.