Pakistan to buy 36 latest Su-35's - WDF Exclusive!

[Pakhtoon yum]

Welcome to the forum, kindly avoid personal attacks, we 14-15 active members are what makes this place suitable for healthy discussion. The points you raised were healthy, good. Indicates your good knowledge level. But kindly avoid using words to keep this forum unlike pdf where all kids are wrecking havoc

That what I've said is a figure of speech, welcome to the English language. You are free to go consult a linguist about what I've said.

 

[Signalian]

Turks have Greece as a rival with Cyprus issue and a very capable marine force to defend itself. Recent Ops are COIN whereas Dynamics of Pakistan are different.

 

[CHI RULES]

You'd be a fool to consider the modren j-15 an easy prey.

Sir J-15 is being discarded by the Chinese they shall go for new platform for their ACs and we should not forget that Indian Naval Air Arm has got Mig 29K pretty latest and more agile along with limited induction of Tejas, In near future they are looking to induct another modern platform so it shall be inevitable Pak jets for naval strike role to evade them. In the recent past Pakistan has targeted the more capable SU30 and J15 is more or less comparable to same. Meanwhile Pakistan with limited resources already preferring multi role platforms.

 

[CHI RULES]

no its not true .....

Please explain your point.

 

[Wolf-PK]

Please explain your point.

go through the initial posts on J15...and google it....

The following reference link would answer most of your questions:

Air War: China's J-15 Fighter vs. Russia's Su-33 (Which Is Better?)

We take a look.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Humble Analyst]

no its not true .....

So Su30MKI is not vulnerable because of it bigger RCS?

 

[Humble Analyst]

go through the initial posts on J15...and google it....

The following reference link would answer most of your questions:

Air War: China's J-15 Fighter vs. Russia's Su-33 (Which Is Better?)

We take a look.

nationalinterest.org

If that is the case why Chinese are selling the ones they have?

 

[Mastankhan]

Hi,

It is amazing how ill informed posters are---and the worst part is---they are immune to understanding and learning---.

So---supposedly the J15 is a little too heavy to perform well off an a/c carrier---the rating are not good---.

So---where does it say or prove that the same aircraft is not good enough taking off from land with the proper load---. I have not seen or read any articles on that part---though I have read a few which show concern about taking off from a carrier---.

So---for our sake---a discussion---if needed to be made---should just concern itself only in the parameters that we are going to be using it in.

Just because enemy has certain aircraft---we will have to present ourselves with whatever we can get and operate it in the best possible manner that we know of---.

Supposedly if the enemy shows to have superior aircraft on paper does not mean that we should now put BANGLES on our forearms---it does not work that way---it is a defeatist attitude---.

The J15 is a modern aircraft with modern EW package and can use modern weaponry---. If there are any concerns---Paf has a very able and capable aeronautical engineering department that has time and again shown ingenuity in overcoming concerns and rectified the problems---.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Hi,

It is amazing how ill informed posters are---and the worst part is---they are immune to understanding and learning---.

So---supposedly the J15 is a little too heavy to perform well off an a/c carrier---the rating are not good---.

So---where does it say or prove that the same aircraft is not good enough taking off from land with the proper load---. I have not seen or read any articles on that part---though I have read a few which show concern about taking off from a carrier---.

So---for our sake---a discussion---if needed to be made---should just concern itself only in the parameters that we are going to be using it in.

Just because enemy has certain aircraft---we will have to present ourselves with whatever we can get and operate it in the best possible manner that we know of---.

Supposedly if the enemy shows to have superior aircraft on paper does not mean that we should now put BANGLES on our forearms---it does not work that way---it is a defeatist attitude---.

What about detection range and what China intends to use for its Aircraft carrier? If it has good range then it maybe good for naval air arm.
Look at the record of accidents and history and you will know there are questions which need to be raised.
Please do not snub the questions answer them

 

[Mastankhan]

What about detection range and what China intends to use for its Aircraft carrier? If it has good range then it maybe good for naval air arm.
Look at the record of accidents and history and you will know there are questions which need to be raised.
Please do not snub the questions answer them

Hi,

The detection range is not something that is cast in stone---.

There would be other mitigating factors involved in detecting---.

I mean to say---if detection range the the ultimate determining factor----then 2 adversaries would sit down across the table and start calculating---this is your aircraft---this is what its RCS is---we can detect it from this distance and shoot it down---you lose---.

The other guys then comes up with his story and then you can win or lose battle by determining RCS---.

As for china---it is going to come up with a 5th gen aircraft for its A/C carrier---. That issue has been finalized---no more 4th or 4.5 gen---.

 

[Wolf-PK]

One reason ...why China Looks To Replace Its J-15:

China’s navy ‘set to pick J-20 stealth jets for new carriers’

Military insiders say the aircraft appears to have beaten the FC-31 in the race to become the PLA Navy’s fighter of the future

www.scmp.com

 

[TomCat]

What about detection range and what China intends to use for its Aircraft carrier? If it has good range then it maybe good for naval air arm.
Look at the record of accidents and history and you will know there are questions which need to be raised.
Please do not snub the questions answer them

Hmm, ok, there was this abc country offering us F-14 earlier, should we have gone for that instead?

 

[AliYusuf]

Look at the record of accidents and history and you will know there are questions which need to be raised.
Please do not snub the questions answer them

Kindly go thru this link.

Which has this to stay ...
"While the Flying Shark has been in a number of accidents, with three fighters lost so far, and this has commonly been cited by Western reports as the cause of the aircraft's apparent failure, such losses are in fact hardly unusual for a new fighter - particularly a carrier based platform. Of the 712 American F-14 Tomcat carrier based fighters built, over 160 were destroyed in accidents - this being despite the U.S. having considerably more experience in operating carrier based fighters than China - which had none before 2013. While China’s J-15 has suffered three losses to accidents in its first five years, America’s F-14 suffered almost 40 in its first half decade in service. The F-14 was nevertheless considered one of the most successful carrier based fighters in U.S. history. "

I had posted the above content before on this thread ... seems to have skipped your attention.
Correction: Another Thread

The second PLAN aircraft carrier, which has been built by China, is currently undergoing sea trials. It's going to be equipped with 36(?) of the upgraded version of these jets.

Whatever problem had been faced, were due to the launching/catapult system of the ex-Soviet Liaoning carrier of the PLAN. Which didn't provide enough momentum for the fighter to launch with full missions load.

The Russian's use their Su-33 on different launch system similar to that of the US carriers.

The newer Chinese carrier won't be having these issues. The issue is not with it's weight and size either for carrier operations because the F-14 was as big and heavier.

Stealth fighter induction into PLAN are still some years away from attaining FOC. Till then and even after that J-15 is going to be in operation. At least till the stealth fighters are available in numbers. Even the US Navy is still using it's Hornets even after inducting the F-35 and are going to continue to do so till the near future. No force can totally operate on stealth fighters alone. Too costly.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Kindly go thru this link.

Which has this to stay ...
"While the Flying Shark has been in a number of accidents, with three fighters lost so far, and this has commonly been cited by Western reports as the cause of the aircraft's apparent failure, such losses are in fact hardly unusual for a new fighter - particularly a carrier based platform. Of the 712 American F-14 Tomcat carrier based fighters built, over 160 were destroyed in accidents - this being despite the U.S. having considerably more experience in operating carrier based fighters than China - which had none before 2013. While China’s J-15 has suffered three losses to accidents in its first five years, America’s F-14 suffered almost 40 in its first half decade in service. The F-14 was nevertheless considered one of the most successful carrier based fighters in U.S. history. "

I had posted the above content before on this thread ... seems to have skipped your attention.
Correction: Another Thread

The second PLAN aircraft carrier, which has been built by China, is currently undergoing sea trials. It's going to be equipped with 36(?) of the upgraded version of these jets.

Whatever problem had been faced, were due to the launching/catapult system of the ex-Soviet Liaoning carrier of the PLAN. Which didn't provide enough momentum for the fighter to launch with full missions load.

The Russian's use their Su-33 on different launch system similar to that of the US carriers.

The newer Chinese carrier won't be having these issues. The issue is not with it's weight and size either for carrier operations because the F-14 was as big and heavier.

Stealth fighter induction into PLAN are still some years away from attaining FOC. Till then and even after that J-15 is going to be in operation. At least till the stealth fighters are available in numbers. Even the US Navy is still using it's Hornets even after inducting the F-35 and are going to continue to do so till the near future. No force can totally operate on stealth fighters alone. Too costly.

In addition to this, the issues with J-15 only seem to appear during carrier take-off and landing. We will be getting the land-based version where there have been no reported issues so far.

 

[AliYusuf]

In addition to this, the issues with J-15 only seem to appear during carrier take-off and landing. We will be getting the land-based version where there have been no reported issues so far.

Precisely.