Pakistan to buy 36 latest Su-35's - WDF Exclusive!

[TomCat]

Hmm, ok, there was this abc country offering us F-14 earlier, should we have gone for that instead?

Kindly go thru this link.

Which has this to stay ...
"While the Flying Shark has been in a number of accidents, with three fighters lost so far, and this has commonly been cited by Western reports as the cause of the aircraft's apparent failure, such losses are in fact hardly unusual for a new fighter - particularly a carrier based platform. Of the 712 American F-14 Tomcat carrier based fighters built, over 160 were destroyed in accidents - this being despite the U.S. having considerably more experience in operating carrier based fighters than China - which had none before 2013. While China’s J-15 has suffered three losses to accidents in its first five years, America’s F-14 suffered almost 40 in its first half decade in service. The F-14 was nevertheless considered one of the most successful carrier based fighters in U.S. history. "

I had posted the above content before on this thread ... seems to have skipped your attention.
Correction: Another Thread

The second PLAN aircraft carrier, which has been built by China, is currently undergoing sea trials. It's going to be equipped with 36(?) of the upgraded version of these jets.

Whatever problem had been faced, were due to the launching/catapult system of the ex-Soviet Liaoning carrier of the PLAN. Which didn't provide enough momentum for the fighter to launch with full missions load.

The Russian's use their Su-33 on different launch system similar to that of the US carriers.

The newer Chinese carrier won't be having these issues. The issue is not with it's weight and size either for carrier operations because the F-14 was as big and heavier.

Stealth fighter induction into PLAN are still some years away from attaining FOC. Till then and even after that J-15 is going to be in operation. At least till the stealth fighters are available in numbers. Even the US Navy is still using it's Hornets even after inducting the F-35 and are going to continue to do so till the near future. No force can totally operate on stealth fighters alone. Too costly.

Ohh Master Yoda,
You had to mention it directly, i was playing a f14 game, just to read the POV of the OP, incase he mentions F-14 better than j15, boom your answer comes

 

[AliYusuf]

Ohh Master Yoda,
You had to mention it directly, i was playing a f14 game, just to read the POV of the OP, incase he mentions F-14 better than j15, boom your answer comes

Sorry didn't consider your game plan.

 

[space cadet]

I read somewhere that the Russians said that the problem with the J-15 is that they reversed engineered an incomplete prototype, not a complete production model. There is inherent problems with reverse engineering, add in that it was a prototype, not production aircraft, and it wasn't even a complete prototype is where their problems lie.

 

[AliYusuf]

I read somewhere that the Russians said that the problem with the J-15 is that they reversed engineered an incomplete prototype, not a complete production model. There is inherent problems with reverse engineering, add in that it was a prototype, not production aircraft, and it wasn't even a complete prototype is where their problems lie.

J-15 made it's first flight a decade ago. They have had enough successes and made advances, in combat aviation, since then. J-16 & J-11D development the newest stealth fighter J-20 all allude to the progresses that was made. Kinks in the J-15 have been long since ironed out.

That argument of the Russians no longer holds up much water. Russia has every right to be miffed because unlike the Su-27 and Su-30 ... China never purchased the Su-33. Russia back in 2006 was hopeful for an Indian MRCA contract, had refused China the purchase of Su-33. China reverse engineered it, as a result, by using a prototype (purchased) from Ukraine. So any criticism from Russian sources on the issue is to be taken with taken as sour grapes.

China had quite a few teething problems with the ex-soviet Liaoning AC which it had started operating since 2013. That is why numbers of the J-15 had been cut down till the Chinese manufactured AC come in to service. The first such AC is under going sea trials. It will be housing the upgraded versions of the J-15.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Hmm, ok, there was this abc country offering us F-14 earlier, should we have gone for that instead?

We should evaluate anything may it be F35 or spitfire or Su33 or J15

 

[Wolf-PK]

A different story here:

" In addition, “the J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” an unnamed Chinese military source told the South China Morning Post. The individual was referring to a pair of crashes in April 2016, including one mishap in which the pilot, Zhang Chao, died. The other pilot, Cao Xianjian, survived, but suffered serious injuries."

"It’s not clear if the reported flight control system issues would necessarily persist with the more advanced Su-30MKK or J-16, either. It is worth noting, however, that in 2010, the Russians themselves began purchasing the lighter MiG-29K Fulcrum as the replacements for their own aging Su-33s on their carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. "

Complete article here:

China Looks To Replace Its J-15 Carrier Fighter Jets Amid Reports Of Crashes

The People's Liberation Army Navy will need significantly more jets anyway if they want to make good use of their new carriers.

www.thedrive.com

 

[space cadet]

A different story here:

" In addition, “the J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” an unnamed Chinese military source told the South China Morning Post. The individual was referring to a pair of crashes in April 2016, including one mishap in which the pilot, Zhang Chao, died. The other pilot, Cao Xianjian, survived, but suffered serious injuries."

"It’s not clear if the reported flight control system issues would necessarily persist with the more advanced Su-30MKK or J-16, either. It is worth noting, however, that in 2010, the Russians themselves began purchasing the lighter MiG-29K Fulcrum as the replacements for their own aging Su-33s on their carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. "

Complete article here:

China Looks To Replace Its J-15 Carrier Fighter Jets Amid Reports Of Crashes

The People's Liberation Army Navy will need significantly more jets anyway if they want to make good use of their new carriers.

www.thedrive.com

it is a turd the Chinese are looking to unload

 

[Wolf-PK]

it is a turd the Chinese are looking to unload

In current circumstances, their Turd might turn out to be our Crown Jewel......

 

[TsAr]

A different story here:

" In addition, “the J-15 is a problematic aircraft – its unstable flight control system was the key factor behind the two fatal accidents two years ago,” an unnamed Chinese military source told the South China Morning Post. The individual was referring to a pair of crashes in April 2016, including one mishap in which the pilot, Zhang Chao, died. The other pilot, Cao Xianjian, survived, but suffered serious injuries."

"It’s not clear if the reported flight control system issues would necessarily persist with the more advanced Su-30MKK or J-16, either. It is worth noting, however, that in 2010, the Russians themselves began purchasing the lighter MiG-29K Fulcrum as the replacements for their own aging Su-33s on their carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. "

Complete article here:

China Looks To Replace Its J-15 Carrier Fighter Jets Amid Reports Of Crashes

The People's Liberation Army Navy will need significantly more jets anyway if they want to make good use of their new carriers.

www.thedrive.com

What you are sharing is old news. Do you seriously think that the Chinese will place a half cooked aircraft on their carrier when this is the only plane that they have. Secondly all this negativity was coming from the Russian side who wanted to sell SU-33 to China but then failed to do so.

 

[TomCat]

I read somewhere that the Russians said that the problem with the J-15 is that they reversed engineered an incomplete prototype, not a complete production model. There is inherent problems with reverse engineering, add in that it was a prototype, not production aircraft, and it wasn't even a complete prototype is where their problems lie.

J-15 is a product of SAC,
SAC has been one of the top 2 fighter production companies in china.
They have spent more than 15 years on J-31
They can improvise J-15 to extents even russia failed to , better experience with 4++ and 5th gen

 

[Mastankhan]

it is a turd the Chinese are looking to unload

Hi

we are getting them for pennies on the dollar-basically for free.

 

[CHI RULES]

If that is the case why Chinese are selling the ones they have?

Sir I conquer your point of view though I enjoy the harsh words of few senior member who came here from another forum yet they should not suppress difference of opinion. One more point I want to add here is that reportedly with heavy weight the engines of J15 are considered to be under powered. I hope many experts know very well the implications of an under powered engines. As they shall fail you against on to one encounter with more capable enemy jets. The heavy platforms if we require should be a J11 latest variant or J16 if available which may stand firmly on its own..

 

[Wolf-PK]

What you are sharing is old news. Do you seriously think that the Chinese will place a half cooked aircraft on their carrier when this is the only plane that they have. Secondly all this negativity was coming from the Russian side who wanted to sell SU-33 to China but then failed to do so.

Agreed ....I am sharing goods & bads of J15 so far revealed.

 

[CHI RULES]

J-15 is a product of SAC,
SAC has been one of the top 2 fighter production companies in china.
They have spent more than 15 years on J-31
They can improvise J-15 to extents even russia failed to , better experience with 4++ and 5th gen

Sir main issue with both J15 and J31 are their under powered engines otherwise why China has not yet found any customer of J31. Even Turkey has reportedly preferred Su35 over Chinese jets.

 

[TomCat]

Sir main issue with both J15 and J31 are their under powered engines otherwise why China has not yet found any customer of J31. Even Turkey has reportedly preferred Su35 over Chinese jets.

Dear Brother, this issue you mention is common on all of indigenous chinese jets regardless of firm, be it J-20/J-16/J-11-31
Chine has already bested WS-13 for thunder and WS-10G for J-10. J-20 engine still needs some 1 and a half years max given their fast pace.
We should definitely put a focus on getting ToT of Chinese engines for getting a good know how on Turbine, Engine MANUFACTURING