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SAC’s YF-23 counterpart, J-20’s lost rival design “Snow Owl” revealed

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Acquiring FC-31 doesn’t give us training, Developing AZM alongside a bit of Chinese help gives us many advantages, Like you said, We get experience and train a new gen of engineers.

Chinese act as a catalyst, They have some Design sheets which were never implemented, Could be used, Thus saving time. Plus, China has infrastructure ready to test and develop a Fighter, PAC falls short heavily on that.
i read somewhere that pakistani engineers are wroking with chinese in china on a very secret project to develope a fifth gen fighter for pak. under the umbrella of CPEC. idk if it is true or not does anybody has any idea about what i just said?
 

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FC-20 is J-10A
I recall Rao Qamar Suleman (ex-ACM) as saying that "We are on track to induct FC-20 within a few years, but if situation demands it, we can even induct J-10 on emergency basis."

Back at that time, only J-10A were flying and rumors of J-10B in design phase were floating around.
 

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I recall Rao Qamar Suleman (ex-ACM) as saying that "We are on track to induct FC-20 within a few years, but if situation demands it, we can even induct J-10 on emergency basis."

Back at that time, only J-10A were flying and rumors of J-10B in design phase were floating around.
So the FC-20 and J-10 in the statement are actually two different birds, right ?
 

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So the FC-20 and J-10 in the statement are actually two different birds, right ?
As per my humble opinion, J-10A off the shelf was never considered suitable for PAF. FC-20 which the PAF had their sights on, was a J-10 + PAF listed modifications on the basic J-10A ... due to which J-10B and J-10C became reality.
 

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As per my humble opinion, J-10A off the shelf was never considered suitable for PAF. FC-20 which the PAF had their sights on, was a J-10 + PAF listed modifications on the basic J-10A ... due to which J-10B and J-10C became reality.
Sir , you r absolutely right on spot. PAF has suggested number of modification in J-10A, specially the air intake fixing with the main fuslage and DSI intake. After that modification in the air intake, J-10 B become lethal like F-16 Fighting Falcon.
 

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Difference between the J-10A and J-10B air intake are very clear in images. And it made a huge difference in aerodynamics of the two jets.

J-10 A non DSI and J-10 B built in with fuselage and DSI respectively. Thanks.
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people will keep saying whatever comes to their mind about AZM that its indigenous and blah blah blah... but problem is we cant even build a 4th gen fighter on our own how is it possible to build fifth gen fighter without having an industrial base and limited resources.
P.S; im no defense expert but im not dumb either.
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Why is it impossible?
ACM talked about indigenous "design", not indigenous "manufacturing".
As an example, iPhone is an indigenous design of Apple USA but manufactured in China.
 
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