WDF EXCLUSIVE - PAF's latest Platform The JH-7!!!

[War Historian]

Slightly off topic...
...I'm extremely happy with the progress that PAF and PN have made...u can see a clear goal they have in mind and they are working hard towards it.

I'm hoping to see the same from PA soon. So far the attack helicopter situation seems uncertain(T129)...there were VT4s purchased...but still there is hodge podge of different types(a couple hundred each). IMO PA needs to really focus on AK2(as the JF17 equivalent) that can over time replace all other types(older first of course). The same type of project is needed(whether with Turks T129 or with Chinese Z10) where Pak can start building(at least in some capacity) it's attack helicopters.

insha'Allah
In Gen Zia ul Haq's words, " hope for the best and ready for the worst"

 

[TomCat]

Slightly off topic...
...I'm extremely happy with the progress that PAF and PN have made...u can see a clear goal they have in mind and they are working hard towards it.

I'm hoping to see the same from PA soon. So far the attack helicopter situation seems uncertain(T129)...there were VT4s purchased...but still there is hodge podge of different types(a couple hundred each). IMO PA needs to really focus on AK2(as the JF17 equivalent) that can over time replace all other types(older first of course). The same type of project is needed(whether with Turks T129 or with Chinese Z10) where Pak can start building(at least in some capacity) it's attack helicopters.

Focusing on AK2 with the current standing of HIT ? Another decade gone to waste.

 

[Safri167]

some times not showing is a good showing

Don't waste your time on him. He is obcessed with his thoughts.

 

[Salza]

With J15s, J10s , JH7s induction, suddenly Pakistan airforce looks very formidable and may well outclass IAF again.

But here is my assessment and some queries for ppl to answer:

- What will be role of JF17s with J10s induction now ? merely an interceptor like F7s after so much investment in the program. To me J10 might be slightly heavier platform than JF17 thus can carry a bit more weaponry than Jeff but frankly speaking there is not much a difference in between both the planes. For us, JF17 brings all the stuff which J10s brings for China. So induction of J10s in my opinion is nothing special.

- Similarly with heavier strike platform J15s, what will be the need of JH7s than ? J15s is just not a strike platform but is a multi role air superiority jet as well which can take care of itself as well unlike JH7s which are simply truck bombers only. So if you are flying a strike formation of JH7s , than you will always need J15s to escort them against Indian Mig29s. For lesser area to cover, F16s and JF17s escort will be enough (at Kashmir and IB) but taking on Indian Navy ships in Arabian sea or even striking western ports of India you will need flankers as JH7s body guards. Had we not inducting any flanker, than JH7s would had made more sense.

- To me J15s induction is the best among all. Though ideally its not well suited at Kashmir and IB area because of its large RCS but for naval air cover its the best plane where you always have more time to deduct Indian Mig29s and other planes unlike at northern side where due to lesser distance, there is not much time for either airforce . You always have to vectored your planes towards enemy planes on immediate basis.

- PAF proper answer to Rafale will always be F16 Vs with AIM120 D. No Chinese J series can match F16 Vs capabilities. Period. Even if we manage to procure just 1 squad of shinning new spanking Vs, it will be more than enough for Indian Rafales. The psychological edge these F16s brings over IAF is immense. They literally gets upset after every purchase of F16s. Feb 27 was prime example of their fear where their Su30s were escaping their a$$ off from the scene once PAF F16s started firing its BVRs. So 1 new squad and upgrading our block 52 to V standards will neutralize Rafales threat completely infact will bring an edge over them.

To summed it up, in my opinion all we need was/is 2 squads of J15s and 1 squad of F16Vs with AIM120Ds. Also we need to expedite Block 3 development since after them, we won't be needing J10s anymore. Anyways PAF knows better. If all these Khafee claims is to believed, than surely PAF has already identified and divided Indian threat into different roles. For every specific role, set of planes are identified and being inducted accordingly.

 

[Armchair]

I hope we can not become like another place on the internet. If we disagree, we can disagree with the idea. No need to make it personal about who is obsessed or not. Rather, perhaps we can say:

x thinks this, we are thinking differently.

 

[Casa bianka]

New here but regular reader of PDF glad to know about three new inductions... But not sure the new is correct or not... But once EX Chief said " wo kahin to chupa k rakhain gy S400" means they aren't out of our range

 

[Wolf-PK]

That forum is a cesspool. My grandpa used to say "If you play with sh!t, you will get dirty." Ignore the idiots and self proclaimed insiders and defense analysts. Really enjoy your posts, you are an asset.

Thanks bro....Khush raho.

 

[capricorn5192]

Brother time will also raise new faces in our leadership, just look at Turkey in 2002. They were in same like us. A single man turn them into a good economic and arm developing country, there debt are paid off and now they joining the big boys club in every way of military arsenals. So i m not hopeless for the new Leadership and Once we will find out one. All puzzle will be settle, just keep your Believe in Al Mighty Allah. Thanks.

I believe it's not only the leadership that changes the fate of a nation but also the who wants to change it's fate.

 

[The Enthusiast]

What will be role of JF17s with J10s induction now ? merely an interceptor like F7s after so much investment in the program. To me J10 might be slightly heavier platform than JF17 thus can carry a bit more weaponry than Jeff but frankly speaking there is not much a difference in between both the planes. For us, JF17 brings all the stuff which J10s brings for China. So induction of J10s in my opinion is nothing special.

JF-17 will compliment our recent inductions whether that be J10, J15 or JH7 (like it did on 27 Feb when thunders were part of strike package with mirages and were also there to provide air cover with F16s).

"J10 might be slightly heavier platform than JF17 thus can carry a bit more weaponry" That is the main advantage, it can be used for deep strike and air superiority while being cost effective.

We all know that PAF will induct JF17 in large numbers around 250+ and we can equip it with weapons of our own choice (Turkish, brazilian etc) "On 27 December 2019, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) inaugurated a new integration facility aimed at installing, testing and qualifying onboard electronics and weapons to the JF-17 Thunder" so that might not be the case with J10 initially atleast, so thunders will be the Warhorse of PAF whereas J10, J15 and JH7 will carry specialized roles.

 

[capricorn5192]

Focusing on AK2 with the current standing of HIT ? Another decade gone to waste.

I think we should get help from China, let them take the lead and train our manpower with them to have adequate knowledge/experience and then slowly we will be able to develop indigenously.

 

[capricorn5192]

I think JF-17s will be the main work horse of PAF. Giving while F-16s will defend Pakistani Skies, J-10s will answer Rafale, J-15 will be for Air Superiority/protecting CPEC/Naval Role and JH-7 will be deep strikes.

 

[The Enthusiast]

Similarly with heavier strike platform J15s, what will be the need of JH7s than ? J15s is just not a strike platform but is a multi role air superiority jet as well which can take care of itself as well unlike JH7s which are simply truck bombers only. So if you are flying a strike formation of JH7s , than you will always need J15s to escort them against Indian Mig29s. For lesser area to cover, F16s and JF17s escort will be enough (at Kashmir and IB) but taking on Indian Navy ships or even striking western ports of India you will need flankers as their JH7s body guards. Had we not inducting any flanker, than JH7s would had made more sense.

We might be getting them at very cheap price that PAF found it cost effective for deep strike roles otherwise I agree there seems to be no other point for their induction when u have J15 and J10

 

[Cookie Monster]

Focusing on AK2 with the current standing of HIT ? Another decade gone to waste.

There's nothing keeping Pak from bringing in Ukrainians, Chinese, Turks, South Africans, etc. If HIT needs help...then they should be provided help. In any case I'm talking about setting a clear goal that the army should set for itself...for tanks and attack helicopters...whether that means JV or not.

 

[TomCat]

There's nothing keeping Pak from bringing in Ukrainians, Chinese, Turks, South Africans, etc. If HIT needs help...then they should be provided help. In any case I'm talking about setting a clear goal that the army should set for itself...for tanks and attack helicopters...whether that means JV or not.

HIT lacks big infrastructure and capacity

 

[TsAr]

That is why I am saying wait for official announcement or ceremony.

bhai hum tu wait kar rahay han AP ki sab sa ziada Aag lagi huwi ha, kabhi twitter par , kabhi aidher aur kabhi audher.