Pakistan to buy 36 latest Su-35's - WDF Exclusive!

[Khafee]

Hi,

The numbers is the biggest problem that the Paf has---. Those fools cannot comprehend that---.

The J10's bring the numbers immediate and on a fastrak---.

Since 2014 or was it 2013 that the chinese offered us the J10 B / C's---. If we had taken that offer---we would have had a 100 of them by now---meaning close to 300---4th gen aircraft---.

Paf is acting extremely stupid---and it has its followers as well---. And the main problem with pakistani civilian govt is that no one understands the utility and power positioning of a higher number of fighter aircraft---.

Paf is still bullsh-tting about better pilots---okay---we agree they have better pilots---but someone needs to pull their heads out of their ar-ses as well---.

With better pilots---you need a higher number of air crafts to keep psychos like Modi in check---.

If Paf cannot understand that a 100 more aircraft just like the JF17 equals to the approximate strength of 6-7 army divisions---there is a problem with their minds---.

If Napoleone had 6 extra divisions of army available at waterloo on the run---he would have decimated his enemies permanently---.

The J10 have the same instrumentation and same weapons---very easy and quick to integrate---.

Now---for Paf reasoning---we will see about 100000 muslim women and girls RAPED in indian occupied kashmir---close to 1/2 a million men killed---for what---because the J10 brings nothing new to the table---.

When you talk to those PAF professionals the next time---tell them so and tell therm Mastankhan said that---.

Modi would not have been thiking of taking Kashmir---or sending that submarine to our waters---.

On a lighter note, Thank God PAF is not like the swiss air force

The Swiss air force: armed and dangerous, but only in office hours

Swiss Air Force increases 'opening hours'

 

[Khafee]

Spot on, as always, @Mastankhan Sahib.

Mastan Sahab is like a rough diamond, the more you grind him, the more he shines MA!

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

We are basing our strength against the Rafale to our getting the JF-17 BLK3's with aesa----which is about a year away on the minimum---.

Now if we had procured the J10 CE---that was available to us I believe in 2013---what do you guys think we would have had in 2013-2014---???

A JF-17 BLK 3 with aesa---yessir---because the J10 is the same as a JF17---.

@Khafee ----do you understand what I just stated---.

We could have had a JF-17 BLK 3 & that also with AESA capability aircraft in around 2014---.

Can you imagine how would we be projecting the air power by now---.

Complacency, Finance, or Sabotage?

 

[TsAr]

Complacency, Finance, or Sabotage?

Finance...

 

[Mastankhan]

Complacency, Finance, or Sabotage?

Arrogance---. Finance was not an issue at all---. Chinese saw what india was upto and came up with the offer in 2012-13.

 

[Khafee]

Finance...

PAF does not have deep pockets, its friends do. PAF should have learned by now how to get easy financing.

 

[PewPew]

Agree on all except the last para. US will not allow anyone to use their funds to buy a foreign platform.

I'd say use the money meant for Su-35 (definitely not US funding) for the Typhoon or J-10CE. It's a choice between 2 different paradigms: With the Typhoon, it's about tight interoperability with the F-16s and creating a cohesive offensive punch (with JF-17B/Block-3 for lobbing SOW/ALCMs). With J-10CE, it's -- as @Mastankhan explored -- about building numbers and a sizable strike-capable force. Either way, unless the Russians are basically throwing in the baby with the kitchen sink, it'd be better to stick to with the Chinese or go European.

 

[TsAr]

PAF does not have deep pockets, its friends do. PAF should have learned by now how to get easy financing.

The issue is more to do with our dumb Politicians. You scratch my back and I will scratch's yours, that's how it works. Nawaz was coerced by PPP into moving a resolution in the parliament on not supporting Saudia on Yemen front.

 

[TsAr]

I'd say use the money meant for Su-35 (definitely not US funding) for the Typhoon or J-10CE. It's a choice between 2 different paradigms: With the Typhoon, it's about tight interoperability with the F-16s and creating a cohesive offensive punch (with JF-17B/Block-3 for lobbing SOW/ALCMs). With J-10CE, it's -- as @Mastankhan explored -- about building numbers and a sizable strike-capable force. Either way, unless the Russians are basically throwing in the baby with the kitchen sink, it'd be better to stick to with the Chinese or go European.

My first choice would be EF, then SU and lastly J-10

 

[Ark-Angel]

Hi,

It could be available with the russian engine---if push comes to shove---.

Negative sir. J series are Non-Export series are per Sino-Russian tacit understanding.

 

[Ark-Angel]

Not a possibility again sir. Bilateral defence deals post-1990 are strictly to be ensured and adhered to. No third party Re-Sale is allowed nor the Russians ever believe in such. It dents the credibility of the seller as well as the buyer in International Arena. Such clauses are strictly inserted in Black and White by all major Arms Sellers.

Actually this would be a win win for the Russians.

They sell via China, while getting a sizebale chunk of the profits, at the same time they feign ignorance, when the village idiot starts howling.

 

[Mastankhan]

Negative sir. J series are Non-Export series are per Sino-Russian tacit understanding.

Thank you. The SU27 derivatives are, but the J10 did not have any export to pakistan problems

 

[Ark-Angel]

PAF does not have deep pockets, its friends do. PAF should have learned by now how to get easy financing.

PAF only has 2 Friends left in the world sir. No1 are the Chinese 2nd are the Turks. Rest all have shown their Backs to PAF in General and Pakistan in particular. The Arabs have been deeply scarred by our reaction to their Yemen Fiasco. It’s a damage beyond repair. Project Financing on 15-20 years term is doable especially by Chinese or Polish EXIM banks. But the peeps here work/believe that the Acquisition can only be done when you have hard cash lined up. The mindset/machinery in the AHQ(Plans/Finance/Paltforms Divisions & Ministry of Finance) needs a major overhaul. Arabs won’t EVER be bankrolling our acquisitions EVER. PERIOD. All this Fan Boys Talk of KSA/UAE/QATAR buying PAF this and that NEEDS to END here now. We are on our own sails.

 

[Ark-Angel]

Thank you. The SU27 derivatives are not / maybe not, but the J10 did not have any export to pakistan problems

J-10A had major short comings sir. Consequently whilst FC-20(J-10B) FY 2008-2009 came out Funds had already dried up. Consequently FC-20 became the J-10C as PLAAF moved from one step to another in a quick succession. PAF saw it as an impressive Fighter but again The American Offer of 18 F-16 Blk 52s delayed the plan as Finances have not been supportive for a multi jet deal. F-16s we’re committed to Pakistan before the Launch of OP in NWA as it was one of the requirements put forward to the Obama Admin before the start of OP which was duly committed to by the then Sec Def. But the Faisco later on again made PAF evaluate 4 Jets. The Principal A on the List was short listed but the Talks broke down eventually due to unrealistic offer by the OEM and an unreasonable attitude in Negotiations(Take it or Leave it attitude).
So Sir its a mix of Geo-Politics, Bad/Hard Luck/Empty Coffers factors.

 

[PewPew]

J-10A had major short comings sir. Consequently whilst FC-20(J-10B) FY 2008-2009 came out Funds had already dried up. Consequently FC-20 became the J-10C as PLAAF moved from one step to another in a quick succession. PAF saw it as an impressive Fighter but again The American Offer of 18 F-16 Blk 52s delayed the plan as Finances have not been supportive for a multi jet deal. F-16s we’re committed to Pakistan before the Launch of OP in NWA as it was one of the requirements put forward to the Obama Admin before the start of OP which was duly committed to by the then Sec Def. But the Faisco later on again made PAF evaluate 4 Jets. The Principal A on the List was short listed but the Talks broke down eventually due to unrealistic offer by the OEM and an unreasonable attitude in Negotiations(Take it or Leave it attitude).
So Sir its a mix of Geo-Politics, Bad/Hard Luck/Empty Coffers factors.

So, was this Rosoboronexport?